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Messages - Ginny
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« on: Today at 03:09:37 AM »
Thanks lise.
$35 for a bottle of water is pretty expensive. Especially considering you could presumably make water of the same quality yourself simply by meditating thoughts like "love" and "peace" over it (and if you can't, then all these home scientists are going to have a lot of difficulty replicating his experiment)
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« on: Today at 01:12:05 AM »
I guess I should stay out of this conversation.
I do believe in LOA, but I've also seen What the Bleep, and it's bad science. It's the kind of thing tha turns mainstream scientists away from learning about LOA.
I prefer someone like Rupert Sheldrake, who both understands the scientific method and has an open mind about new ideas.
I maintain, if these results were genuine, they would be so astounding that it would be part of mainstream science. To be unwilling to even consider that the study might be flawed is just as stifling as to assume that it must be wrong.
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« on: June 18, 2013, 04:00:44 PM »
Actually, let me give you an example to illustrate my point:
Some years ago, a boy asked his teacher, "why does boiling water freeze faster than room temperature water?"
The teacher said, "it doesn't - cold water freezes faster than boiling water, it's just common sense. It would contradict the laws of thermodynamics otherwise"
The boy insisted that boiling water did freeze faster - so the teacher did the experiment, just to prove him wrong. To his utter shock and amazement, his experiments showed that boiling water does freeze faster than room temperature water.
He repeated the experiment over and over again, trying to find the flaw in his study design - but he couldn't, so eventually he asked a university lab to repeat the experiment. They scoffed initially, but did the experiment for him (again suspect just to show him what he'd done wrong), but to their astonishment, they got the same results he did.
Soon labs all over the world were repeating the experiment - no one could believe that the preceding lab hadn't got it wrong somehow. But they all got the same result.
And now it is accepted in mainstream science: hot water freezes faster than cold (at least under some conditions). We still don't know why, but it is accepted as true since so many labs got the same result.
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« on: June 18, 2013, 03:50:27 PM »
Is there any documentation that any one has tried it and it failed or have they just not tried at all?
In my opinion they would replicate it if they got funding to do so. But science seems just as indoctrinated as religion. And a lot of this that would show the world to be more than a newtonian machine is considered too whacky to experiment with.
Rupert Sheldon is a scientist who talks about the taboos within the scientific community, the things that they are too afraid to test.
Rupert Sheldrake. And I am well aware of taboos in the scientific community, but I also know that there are thousands of scientists who are willing to test out ideas that sound crazy. Funding is not the issue - these experiments are cheap to perform, and any decently equipped lab could repeat them with no additional funding and very little investment of time. I did a lot of research that was not strictly paid for by any specific pot of funding, when I was actively engaged in research. This is not a funding issue, or a "radical science held back by conservatives" issue. It is an easy and cheap experiment to perform. If any number of labs got the same results, others would jump on the bandwagon (even the skeptics would jump on the bandwagon - initially to prove Dr Emoto wrong, and then later to try to find rational explanations if their findings match his). In my job, I see a lot of bad science - even by mainstream researchers. Just doing a study doesnt mean you are doung a sound study. And - dare i use the dirty word? - fraud exists as well. People want to prove a point, so they make up data to support it. Something this revolutionary would have attracted loads of repeats and would be publicised all over the pages of the popular science magazines if it was valid. Maybe that explosion is still to happen, but this research is pretty old, so it seems unlikely. If this weren't an LOA forum, I would say "just because you like the look of the results doesn't make them true". But maybe on an LOA forum even the weakest research is true if we want it to be 
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« on: June 18, 2013, 01:17:30 PM »
Sorry to act like the practical scientist here, but has anyone ever replicated these findings?
This is how science works: someone performs a controlled experiment, they report their methods, results and conclusions, and if the results and conclusions are interesting, other scientists try to replicate the results.
If no one has repeated Dr Emoto's experiments and got the same results, I would have to wonder why? Surely there is at least one other lab somewhere in the world who can follow his methods? I know from all the books I've read that there are plenty of scientists open-minded enough to try experiments that sound "wacky" (including Dr Emoto himself).
This is the bit that just doesn't ring true for me: the results are shocking. Surely at least a few reputable labs would try to replicate it. And if they got the same results, more labs would try to replicate it. And pretty soon it would be established as fact, and our understanding of the impact of our emotions on matter would be revolutionised, even in mainstream science.
Someone must have tried to replicate this. That Dr Emoto is the only one reporting these results makes me think that the experiment doesn't work for anyone else.
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« on: June 16, 2013, 11:24:25 PM »
He says I can have this man? How with all that fishing on dating sites? 
Tammy, I think you are missing the important part of Mr Brightside's message, possibly wilfully. That you can have him is not the important part - the question of WHY you want him is. You are acting like that young girl who did not have a father to treat her like a cherished princess, and so chases after an older man who neglects her to re-create the experience. This is why your man says you are like a girl, because you are reverting to that young girl who needed unconditional love and didn't get it. Don't go after a man who gives you more of the same - you won't replace your father's love that way. Or maybe you will, in that you'll recreate what you had before - but you deserve better. Go for better. Go for someone who cherishes you as much as you cherish them.
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« on: June 12, 2013, 12:43:23 PM »
Totally agree with LOLx3
You should never suppress emotions - it just makes them stronger and more forceful.
But neither do you need to take them too seriously. You don't need to observe an emotion like say, despair, and decide that it's real or critical or something you need to devote a lot of time to. Observe it objectively - feel what it feels like - observe the thoughts that are triggering it - and recognise that these are just thoughts, they don't represent any kind of objective reality. Then use those emotions to guide you - what kinds of thoughts would make you feel better? (note - a thought that makes you feel better is not always what others would consider a "good" thought. If you are angry and thinking about revenge makes you feel a bit better, then go with it. If you keep following the trail of better feeling thoughts, you will eventually find your way to acceptance, forgiveess, then love)
But never suppress an emotion - that is totally counterproductive.
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« on: June 11, 2013, 06:53:44 AM »
I've read some great books by Richard Carlson, who was a psychologist (ie, one with patients, rather than just a researcher), which basically said that we'd got it totally wrong with psychotherapy - it relied on patients regurgitating and rehearsing every painful experience of their lives in an effort to try to figure out why things were going wrong, whereas what we really ought to be doing is focussing on all the things that are good in our lives and are going right. He said that talking about the painful stuff just kept it alive, and what people needed to do was focus on the positive so they could learn more of what they were doing right.
He wasn't advocating ignoring painful emotions or denying them, but using them as a guide to whether or not our thinking is "healthy". If a thought makes you feel good, it is "healthy". If a thought makes you feel bad, don't ignore it - but recognise it as a sign that your thinking on this issue is not in alignment with what he called your natural "healthy functioning".
I find his stuff very interesting, as it is so perfectly aligned with LOA (particularly Abraham-Hicks). And I've always (even though this is an unpopular view to have, and I always get a lot of flak for it) thought psychotherapy is frequently unhelpful. If it somehow helped you to move on and be a stronger, more effective individual, I could see it. Maybe that is the case sometimes (people tell me it is) - But the evidence I've seen (from people close to me) is that in some cases it makes people more neurotic (by causing them to dwell on their problems), and, in the cases where people have told me it's helped them (getting over a bereavement for example) I am seriously not convinced that time wouldn't have healed their wounds just as quickly and effectively, without the therapist.
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« on: June 06, 2013, 04:48:24 PM »
Great post Emily!! 
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« on: June 05, 2013, 12:57:24 PM »
Tammy, I don't know if this is necessary to say, but please ignore the post from kittu above. This is just posting to get everyone to look at their site and buy their product.
You are making great progress in identifying beliefs that are holding you back. Now is the time for you to work on yourself - don't get distracted by people offering love cures.
(I know I probably didn't need to say that, bu you mentioned about things sabotaging your enlightenment, and I didn't want this to be one of them)
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« on: June 05, 2013, 12:19:13 PM »
I also did not have a close relationship with my mom, she was a party girl so basically I grew up with my grandma...I think I lack the formal parental presence and love from both sides...I think I'm screwed up and a total mess...
Well, stop thinking that Everyone is screwed up and a total mess - well, a lot of us anyway - why do you think your parents treated you like that? Not because they intentionally set out to be inadequate parents. It's because they were humans (aka total messes ) and had problems themselves. This does not have to hold you back. You can move on from the past. You just have to start with learning to love yourself - really love yourself. Without getting too corny and psychobabbly here, see that child and now adult in you, and give her that unconditional love she deserves (LOA is great for this, because it's all about visualising and imagining how that would feel, to really love yourself. What would it feel like? Imagine it, then feel it and act upon it) Leave the past behind, don't hold on to it. If you hold on to anything, let it be all your good qualities (yes, even total screw ups have loads of good qualities - and from a spiritual perspective, we are all perfect, once you can discard the filters of the ego) - I once had a casual conversation with a therapist who said that, given my upbringing, I should be a "drug-addicted prostitute" (and people wonder why I don't like therapists ). I'm actually very successful in my career, and socially, and don't take drugs, not even alcohol. Hold on to your successes, not your limitations. It will only get better from here. ((hugs))
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« on: June 05, 2013, 05:44:06 AM »
Tammy - now you are aware of it, you can make a conscious decision to choose better for yourself, to realise that you deserve better.
This is sort of experimental, and you should ignore this if it doesn't make you feel empowered and worthwhile - but you could try being your own parent. Imagine you had a little girl just like you, and you only want the very best for her. You see her going after men who are not valuing her and don't deserve her, what do you do? You tell her she deserves better! You tell her not to settle for anyone who does not treat her like a treasure, who does not reflect back to her all the love and value she deserves.
Does that make any sense?
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« on: June 05, 2013, 03:38:45 AM »
Ditto what the others have said - it's your subconscious. My dad stopped speaking to me when I was 12, and if anyone had asked me, I would have said that it had no effect on me at all. Looking back now more than 30 years later, I can see that it had a HUGE effect on me (mainly believing that no one would ever stand by me, that you couldn't count on people you loved to stick around, that it was very easy to lose people's love, and that kind of thing) - I just didn't understand it at the time, how much it had affected me. I think you need to work onthis, develop your sense of self-worth - you deserve to be treated like someone special
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« on: June 04, 2013, 10:26:32 PM »
Sounds like we had the same experience satty. Glad you learned how to quieten your thoughts - this is yet one more thing for me to be grateful for, that I discovered meditation
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« on: June 04, 2013, 09:35:09 PM »
Hey Satt - I'd say the same thing to you that I did to fizza - the key is in awareness of your thoughts.
I used to have the same problem - huge rampages of negative thoughts that I couldn't shut down. The harder I tried to stop thinking them, the more violently they fought back. There was a point when i genuinely thought I was losing my mind.
The secret to ending all that was meditation - learning how to observe and acknowledge thoughts without getting tied up in them. Now I know not to fight the thoughts, but not to take them seriously either. Instead I observe them. If they are making feel good, they get the green light to proceed. If they make me feel unhappy, anxious or upset, I realise them for what they are - just thoughts, which do not have to be taken seriously.
I seriously recommend both the Kinslow and the Carlson books.
Good luck to you both.
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