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This occurred to me yesterday.

Very often we are advised to "act as if" our desire has already manifested. I know this confuses a lot of people, and it confused me too. If you "act as if" you are a millionaire before you actually have the money, you may find yourself seriously in debt. If you "act as if" you are already back with an ex, you could make a pest of yourself, phoning up or whatever before they are ready to hear from you.

Yesterday it occurred to me that maybe what they mean is that you should feel as if your desire has already manifested - feel how you would feel if it were already here, but don't act on it, wait for it to come to you.

What do you think?

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No idea if this is a useful thread to start, but I thought if you are going through a tough time, it might be useful to have a list of stories where an event or situation seemed terrible, but in hindsight turned out to be really beneficial.

I'll start, but I hope others have stories to contribute as well!

This one occurred to me today, as I was looking over some work I'd done:

Several years ago, I was bullied by my boss. It was a miserable situation, which led to me finding a new job, doing the same thing for a different company. I got re-trained at the new company, and realised that the way I was taught to do it before was completely wrong, and I could have been culpable for malpractice. I didn't realise this at the time, I thought I was doing the right things because that was the way I was taught. Now I realise, had I stayed there, I probably would have lost my job (the company seems likely to close) and it would have been difficult to find a new one, had I been associated with a disreputable company. So, in the end, it really was quite lucky that my boss started bullying me and I felt compelled to leave

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A lot of LOA guides teach that you shouldn't think about your problems - you should distract, or think about what you want instead of what you don't want, etc.

Abraham-Hicks frequently talk about the "emotional guidance system" - which is basically this: your clue as to whether you are thinking thoughts that will lead you to wanted rather than unwanted is how you feel. If you feel good, you are allowing your desires to be manifested.

This is all very good up to a point - but sometimes it seems harder to re-direct thoughts to the positive and it feels like stifling or denial rather than genuinely choosing a better feeling thought.

I've been re-reading 'Beyond Happiness' by Frank Kinslow, and this seems to offer a solution to this problem. Putting attention on your "problems" while you are in a state of Awareness will cause them to reduce, not to grow. I've tried this a couple of times and it does actually seem to work - very effectively!

The thing is that when you are in "Awareness" (which he defines very specifically - with 'Pure Awareness being a state of no thought whatsoever, and awareness being a state where you are aware of ... I guess what could essentially be called your inner spirit) you are not judging or labelling things. So nothing gets defined as a "problem" when you are in that state. You can observe it, and it just is, it's not good or bad. But oddly, just the act of observing things objectively, without labels, seems to cause whatever to go your way. So "problems" resolve even though you are not viewing them as problems, and the things you want to happen find ways of coming to you.

I posted a link to one of his books earlier - will re-post if I find it again.

Just thought I would mention this in case it helps anyone who sometimes struggles to "reach for the better feeling thought"

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I was just thinking about this, and it reminded me of the topic of whether or not we have any power over other people's lives (which, the whole free will thing comes up frequently on this site, so...)

Many years ago, I had medical condition X, and the doctor prescribed a certain medication for it. I remember him saying, "I'm pretty confident this will do the trick" - and sure enough, it was like a miracle, completely cured within weeks (for something that is normally a chronic condition that does not go away without treatment).

So, several years later, I had a relapse. I was living in a new town, and had a new doctor, so went to him and asked him for the medicine I'd had before. He say, "it isn't very effective, I don't think it will make much difference" - and then gave me a run down on all the reasons it wouldn't work. I told him about the miracle cure I'd had a few years earlier, and, although he was personally very doubtful, he agreed to write the prescription. This time however, the medicine had almost no effect, despite the fact that it was the same medicine, in the same dosage, and I fully expected it to work as well as it had before. I couldn't believe it when nothing happened.

Any thoughts? (I'm not saying this is a good thing, obviously - it just got me wondering)

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Okay, I know, I know, the trolls really want to learn RS too, and are just too shy to ask the proper way

But, seeing as the other two threads have got de-railed, I thought I'd start a third thread. If this one fails, I'll give up and let the trolls have their wicked way with RS.

So, in theory, this thread should be about RS & RI and WAYS TO USE IT MOST EFFECTIVELY.

note to trolls: please can you either go to the other thread for RS-debunking / skepticism comments, or start your own new thread? I'd really like to keep this one shiny and new

So, what I'd love to hear is RS success stories, things that have worked particularly well for you, links to resources - AND, if people have any genuine questions about techniques or how to use RS more effectively, please feel free to post them here.

And, as in the other thread, a suggestion: if a troll posts and goes off-topic, maybe we could ignore it in this thread (just keeping this one for stuff that works), and maybe post both the question and the answer in the other thread that's already been de-railed? - http://www.powerlawofattraction.com/forum/law-of-attraction-for-relationship-6/rs-tips-secrets-and-success-stories/msg73036/?topicseen#new

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Since the other thread (http://www.powerlawofattraction.com/forum/law-of-attraction-for-relationship-6/rs-does-work-if-you-are-patient/ ) got hijacked, I wondered if any of you would like to start fresh?

Feel free to post you RS tips, secrets, links, questions or success stories! (I am interested in all of these too! )


A SUGGESTION: to avoid this thread getting hijacked as well, perhaps we could ignore any posts that are off-topic?

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...to just discuss things with other people who appear to be separate entities from you?

(in case anyone doesn't get the reference, it's referring to the belief system where we are all the same person, and therefore there is no point referring to anyone else, because you create your total reality)

I mean, yeah, I know I can post something up, and sometimes people will say, "You create your own reality! This means whatever you think it means!!". But actually the reason I am posting something up is because I haven't assigned a meaning to whatever, and want to discuss the issue with people who appear to be separate from me, so that I can get what appears to be a different perspective.

I don't know, maybe I'm just perverse that way - it just seems like, if the answer is always, "It means whatever you decide it means!" then there's no point having a message board or ever talking to anyone. And I'd like to talk. So listen up universe, I am talking

I am feeling insanely good lately. Bizarrely so. And this is surprising to me, as (as I have indicated in a couple of other threads) I have recently lost (or at least temporarily lost) a friendship that has been very important to me. So, I'm wondering what it means (yes, yes, I know - it means whatever I decide it means. Just humour me on this one, okay? )

It could mean:
a. that we are going to be friends again soon, and the friendship will be stronger than ever
b. that my happiness is genuinely unaffected by external events, and I am feeling happy because I have finally realised this
c. to be honest, said friend has been a colossal pain in the arse for the last six months or so. Maybe it's just that I'm relieved not to have to deal with his shit any more, even though I miss the nice version of him enormously?
d. I've always felt that we had some kind of psychic bond. This relationship, much more than any other, has tended to reflect exactly what I am thinking and feeling at any given moment. Maybe the fact that I am feeling so good is due to some psychic linkage, and I am feeling the fact that he is feeling good and more sorted out (albeit, sadly without me being a part of it)

I would like for the 'truth" (yeah yeah, I know I have to put "truth" in quotes on this forum ) to be a combination of a, b, and part of d.

And yes, I know that the truth is whatever I decide it is.

I just wanted to talk is all.

Thank you to anyone who humours me and talks to me with an encouraging perspective

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I keep thinking about the Hicks' statement that "a belief is just a thought that you keep thinking"

And I think... Well, yes and no. It's not just any thought - it's a thought backed up (at least in my mind) with some form of evidence. A thought I keep thinking that has no evidence to support it will generally fall under some other category, such as a desire, or a fantasy, or a question.

So, I accept that the "evidence" for a belief may be self-generated. But still, that is the difference between a belief and some other kind of thought - it's not just that I keep thinking it, it's that I keep thinking it AND i have some evidence (at least in my own mind) to support it.

So, examples of beliefs:
- the sun will rise tomorrow. The evidence is that it has risen every day of my life for nearly 50 years now. Actually this is a false belief - the sun doesn't rise, the earth rotates so that the area where I live faces the sun at regular definable intervals
- cats don't like water. My whole life, I have seen cats run from water. But some species of cats do like water.
- I totally believe in the model of the elements I learned as a child. This is because it leads to reproducible effects if you use this model.

Other kinds of thoughts:
- a desire - such as, I'd like my mother to get better. I don't believe or not believe - I don't know the answer. But I have a wish that she will.
- a question - such as: why does person A always do that? You can say that there s a belief embedded there, that person A always does that. But the question why is just that, a question.

So, anyway, that being the case, and assuming that we create our own realities, how do we assemble the evidence we need to support a belief that currently seems to be contradicted by the evidence? Is ignoring the evidence that you've created over whatever period really the only way? (I find this very difficult to do - I can manage it a bit, but then sometimes the unwanted "evidence" filters back when I let my guard down)

So, to use on an example that will be relevant to many people on this forum, what if you want to believe that person X loves and respects you, but unfortunately you've been creating evidence to the contrary for several years. How do you create the new evidence, so that you can better support a new belief?

The best I've come come up with so far is:
-remembering times when person X did treat you with love and respect
-realising that you are worthy of love and respect generally
-attached to the above, noticing and appreciating the times that other people treat you with love and respect
-just not thinking about it at all, because no thought is better than a negative thought

Any other thoughts?

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As some of you may have picked up, I'm a big fan of the Frank Kinslow books.

Until recently, he hasn't really written much about manifestation. He's more about re-aligning with your true self, which involves identifying with a state of pure awareness which is not influenced by external circumstances. So, for example, if you feel joy because you have found love or got a great job or a new house or whatever - all well and good, but these are transient emotions and not linked to your true self. If you say that joy comes from a new job, then it can be taken away again if you lose that job, for example. Instead, he guides you through meditative practices which show you your core emotional state when it is not affected by external circumstances. And the big surprise and delight to me was to find out that this is always something positive. Not just for me, for everyone.

In his latest book, he goes a bit further and says that the state of pure awareness is the seat of manifestation. So, you clear your mind of all external influences, and from that connection with source (effectively) everything is manifested.

So, now I'm wondering about gratitude. For me, gratitude has been extremely effective - not just in terms of manifestation, but in terms of elevating my overall sense of well-being. But it is clearly a conditional emotion, not linked to Pure Awareness as Frank (Kinslow) would say. So... How much of a role should it play, if at all? Is the ultimate goal to enter into pure awareness and not care about external manifestation at all (which begs the question of, why even have a physical existence - but I think that's a question to which the answer is usually, "the physical mind cannot understand it")

Just interested in your general thoughts really

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If you are very successful in one area of manifestation, can you transfer whatever you are doing right in this area to another? Or do you think it comes under the heading of "things the physical mind can't know"?

I was thinking over the weekend - I have never had a problem manifesting money. This isn't because I grew up ultra-privileged. By Western standards, I think we were what you would call "lower middle class" (although I appreciate this is wealthy compared to people living in poverty in areas of war or famine, for a western lifestyle, we were on the struggling end - my parents divorced when I was a baby, and my mother struggled to support 5 children on her own as a secretary. We were like the kids in the Pulp song "Misshapes" - "raised on a diet of broken biscuits"

But anyway, despite an environment that one would expect to have given me limited beliefs about money, for some reason I never have. And these days I'd probably be considered quite well off even by Western standards (essentially through a combination of career and fortuitous business decisions)

So, I'm thinking, what did I do right here, and could I transfer this to other areas where I seem to be lagging?

1. Although this is usually perceived to be an unpleasant word, I've always had a sense of "entitlement". Basically, I've always thought I deserved to live well, and have been instinctively dismissive of anyone whose told me that it's not feasible or realistic to have these kinds of expectations (there are a lot of them out there)

2. I've always believed that it is totally within my power. I've trusted my intelligence to find me good jobs, and to make good business decisions (I work full time and have a business as well)

3. About 15 years ago, I decided to totally let go of any fear regarding money. That was when things really took off. I just decided to take the plunge and invest in things that felt right - I had a little worry about losing all the money and becoming bankrupt, but I shrugged it off and went for the "feel the fear and do it anyway" philosophy. And told myself that, even in the worst case scenario, I could always get a job and start again.

So - seems to be a combination of belief and letting go.

Anyone else have any areas where they are excellent manifestors, and want to talk about your beliefs / actions in these areas?

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This thought was actually sparked off in part by a recent post of I Love Rainbows - can't find it now (or I would have posted there), but it's the one about when you feel you are totally in alignment, but your desire has not yet manifested.

It is very strange, because I've realised that I hold two directly opposing views with respect to one of my desires. I am not sure why this is so, or how it is even possible. My subconscious has very very positive feelings on this matter, but my conscious (responding to actual physical evidence) has negative ideas. My subconscious seems to send out messages with the assumption that the positive supposition is correct, but whenever I think about what actually is (in contradiction to Bashar's statements), a lot of negative thoughts as to why this is so emerge.

I find this very strange - if my subconscious has such positive thoughts, why don't these take over with respect to my conscious thoughts?

To give an example of what I'm talking about - say you had a child who had cerebral palsy. And, when you are not thinking in a "real world" way, when your thoughts are just rambling the way thoughts do ramble, you are always thinking of her running and jumping, excelling at sports and so on. If a friend mentions ballet lessons, your first thought might be, "Oh! must get Maggie signed up for that, she'll love it!", and then a split second later, the reality hits, that she wouldn't be able to do it.

Am I alone in this? I think most people have the opposite experience - they can force their conscious thoughts to be happy, but their subconscious may hold a lot of limiting beliefs. In this one instance, my subconscious and conscious seem to be adopting opposite roles. Why? And how?

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I was just interested in people's opinions...

People who channel - say Esther Hicks, Darryl Anka, the lady who channeled Seth and so on - in your opinion, are they really channeling other beings from other dimensions or planets (as they say), or are they accessing some broader aspect of their own consciousness?

I realise that for some people this question will be redundant - you can always answer with something like, "We are all one, so there is no difference between saying that we are accessing another being or another part of ourselves"

But what I'm interested in is... if these channels are just different parts of our own consciousness (by which I mean that it is awareness nestled somewhere in our own brains and not coming from some external source) - is it just these special people who can do it, or could we all connect with this source of information, and potentially have it turned on all the time rather than having to go into a trance to channel?

One thing that makes me wonder - in the Seth books (Seth sounds a lot like Bashar), Seth occasionally gets a fact wrong - but it's always things that were considered true back then in the 1970s. For example, he talks about lemmings committing suicide. Back then people believed that lemmings did throw themselves off cliffs, but now we know it's not true. Which makes me think it was coming from the channel (I think her name was Jane Roberts) consciousness rather than from some perspective of complete knowledge, as is presented.

Opinions?

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So, I'm on the train, and I got me some chips and mayonnaise. I tear open my mayonnaise packet but it tore in the wrong spot, so there is only a tiny hole for the mayonnaise to come out. I squeeze, HARD! And the mayonnaise jets out straight on to the person next to me!

When I saw what I'd done, I said, "I'm so sorry!!!" and scrambled to give him some tissues. He said, "it's okay, this happens to me all the time. It's the third time it's happened today. For some reason, as soon as you took out that mayonnaise packet, I was expecting it to happen again!"

(cue twilight zone music)

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So, okay - say one of the things you want is a very close relationship with Person X. Part of how you define "close" is that the person wants to talk to you a lot - so, said person would be eager to get emails from you, would respond as soon as possible, would let you know if they are going to be away for a while and not able to respond, etc.

Remember now, we aren't assigning value judgements to what I want. As I understand LOA, I shouldn't have to moderate my desires (although, let's say that if I'm a fairly decent person I do not want to cause the other person harm or unhappiness in any way - I want them to want this, not be forced to do this).

So, how do you go about it, if said person seems intent on keeping their distance? I've tried the direct approach ("I think you're fabulous and I really want us to be closer") and have got varying responses ("I'll try harder" = which, actually, I don't want it to be an effort, I want it to be a pleasure - but I'd be willing to accept that as a start). But it always seems that something comes up to block the way. We make a little progress, and then something happens which causes a retrostep (in my view)

For years I've been trying the "appreciation" approach - appreciating and being grateful for any step in the right direction. And sometimes it seems to work. But lately it just seems harder and harder.

I even enter an alpha state where I "know" everything will be fine, and then... it isn't. Weird thing is, it was him who originally asked to be closer to me, so many years ago. And I immediately said "yes", no game playing. But it just seems to go more and more off track as time goes on. I don't understand why someone explicitly asks for your friendship, and then doesn't even give you the courtesy of direct responses.

Said friend was on holiday for three weeks. I tried to attract some contact during this time. I actually felt I was totally unattached - it was more a "nice to have", as he was in the Far East, and it seemed unlikely that he'd have internet access. But I was thinking, "Wouldn't it be nice if...." and visualised him finding some internet cafe somewhere and the owner beckoning him in with a big smile, and him thinking, "Wouldn't it be lovely to say hi to Ginny?".

But nothing. He got back yesterday, and I sent a "welcome back" email yesterday, but no response. Since this is the friend with the very ill father, I got a little worried and asked if everything was okay - and he finally responded and said, "yes, everything's okay, I'm just busy".

So, I know in the "real world" that basically means that a) he's busy (like he said - duh! ) and b) where-ever I fit in his priorities, it is lower than everything else that's been occupying him since he got back. I also know that, in the "real world", I should be "big" and not need to be a higher priority. But isn't LOA about getting what you want? And I want to be a higher priority. I want him to have contacted me when he was away. I want him to have contacted me first thing when he got back. I want us to be the ultra-close friends it seemed we were going to be four years ago, when he asked me to be his "best friend".

I can accept that I have somehow attracted all the things I don't want, but I don't seem to be able to turn it back. Even when I am at my most positive, it doesn't seems to turn out as planned. If it were simply a matter of asking, believing and receiving, I would have got an email from Thailand. so there must be something more at play.

At the thing that niggles at me is that my LOA strategy of "being grateful" for any small amount of progress just makes him take me more for granted. If I'm delighted when he finally responds (24 hours or 3 weeks later than I would have liked) what incentive is there to respond faster? I'd like it to be simply for the pleasure of my company, but there seem to be barriers in place, in the form of external events and other relationships.

Sorry for a very non-LOA post, but I just don't know what to do. I want to be able to talk openly, but it seems like any open talk just gets a kick-back.

I feel like a "normal" person would take the delay in responding (coming after several months of diminishing contact) as a sign that I just don't matter that much to him any more, and to give up. But the LOA-hope is that if I keep accepting the crumbs, they will eventually develop into the full cake. But maybe accepting the crumbs is just attracting more crumbs?

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At crazysoul's request...

Although, I'm not sure I have a strategy as such.

i've never had money problems, not for years (normal problems as a student and a few years afterwards, but not since). I think I have a pretty healthy attitude - I don't spend beyond my means, but I enjoy what I do have, and I always seem to have enough money to do whatever I want. I'm not sure how it works, because I'm not exactly rich (not like some big city bankers) - but I do have a good salary and basically don't spend money on things I don't want, so it all seems to work out okay.

Anyway, as I mentioned on another thread, some really weird things happened and for the first time in like 20 years I was really getting hammered financially. Some bizarre decisions were made (by others) which meant that a venture which should have resulted in a financial bonus for me ended up turning into a big nightmare that was going to leave us with big problems.

Then iloverainbows posted her thread about how easy it is to get money, and I just followed her advice.

I imagined money being really attracted to me - all the coins and notes were so keen to be near me, I had to tell the coins not to rain on my head because it would hurt! Instead they had to form a little shower around me, while the notes could rain softly on my head

Then I imagined finding money just like iloverainbows had done: I imagined myself finding two 10p coins (okay, she found two ten cent coins, but they're both silver). And I found them the same day! then I imagined finding gold coins like she had done, and I found those the same day too! Then I imagine finding a £20 note, folded up in the grass. I actually found a £10 note, but I have no urge to be picky - £10 is good too. I was delighted with each find - even the 10p, because it was a sign that it was already working! And then about two days later I had this dream that I was finding money everywhere - every time I turned around, there was a bit more, hidden here and there. And the next day I got an unexpected cheque for £2000, and was told that a series of decisions that had lead to the money problems in the first place had been overturned. Problem solved, just like that!

It really can be that simple. Huge thanks to iloverainbows for giving me the inspiration and money-finding model to follow

ps - as with everything, I meditate and get into (i don't know, is it an alpha or a theta state? whatever it is, that special meditative state where your brain is clear of thoughts) prior to visualising, and then it's like the visualisation gets sucked into the gap left by the meditation.

Hope this helps someone

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