Life is just a sandbox?

[MikeG]

Life isn't a sandbox. If it were then we would have automatic instant control over it. But the law of attraction claims it is one. Through the intention-manifestation process one should be able to bring whatever they wished over their life. I never see this question and I guess I know why. People seem to be scared of asking it: Can you resurrect dead people? This theory says you can. I mean, you can attract everything you want to right? If you really want and believe that it's possible to be able to bring a dead person back to life then you should be able to!

People seem to forget that there still are obstacles in the road of life. Basic obstacles like life/death, the composition of the air we breathe, the way how waves work, etc... When you learned about the law of attraction what was the first thing that you thought about? That your biggest concerns could finally be solved. These concerns are or were mostly personal and could be resolved not by the means of the law of attraction, but by the acquired traits when you had 100% certainty that you would be happy. I'm not saying it's not the law of attraction at work here, I'm just saying it also may not be it!

Everything we see before us is something mankind created and one thing we can be sure of, our will power created this. But are there limits? We've seen that some limits can be lift up with positive thinking, but some of them are still there. But don't you think that in 200.000 years of human life someone wouldn't have been able to finally "change" basic elements of life? Create fire from their own hands? Twist the energy that is around us to serve us better? Quantum physicists, most notably Einstein, did it partially, but they didn't complete their theory by making it more than a theory. They broke through the barrier of particle world to create the quantum theories, allowing various other theories to appear like the possibility of multiple universes. Don't you think that because of this huge effort, one could control nature itself? I mean, these scientists basically "created" a new "thing". Why can't we do the same? Why didn't they get any further? There are so many brilliant minds with us today and they haven't done anything of the likes so far.

Furthermore, this always bothered me. Crazy people have fixed beliefs. They believe they are dark summoners. They believe they are Superman. They believe they can breathe fire. Why can't they do it? Are the minds of us, regular people, "blocking" the wonders of the law of attraction? Is mankind hindering the so-called sandbox? I don't want to believe this, but unfortunately it makes the most sense from all of this. This basically limits our desires. We cannot fly with our own bodies, because mankind's thoughts hinder us. We can't breathe underwater, we can't spit lava, we can't lift mountains. But we can achieve love, richness, happiness, satisfaction. These can be the limits that were lifted.

What I just proposed is a theory. It may or it may not be true. It's just an interpretation from the information I've obtained from the LoA and from my life experience. And let me tell you. What I said is just as true as Christianity, Quantum physics, life after death and even the very thing that we all come to this forum to discuss. Please remember that the "LAW" of attraction is just a THEORY. It's based off of theoretical values and most of it is quantum mumbo jumbo (theories of theories). I can't stand people who close themselves around one thing and just ignore everything else. We have a mind, we have to use it logically to maybe have a shot at discovering the true form of the universe. Is there a God? Is there a higher force? Or is it all just random? We can't know for sure, but we can analyse facts and these facts are what brings me here and some of you aswell. We've all seen "miracles" of the law of attraction that have opened our eyes to the endless possibilities that there are. What we're doing here is trying to find a way to hold on to these miracles and that's perfectly fine.

Final words: I am in no way saying that the law of attraction is fake. I'm just saying that it might not be true just like Christianity. I apologize if I offended someone by writing this, but these are just my thoughts on the matter and even though what I claim is a little bit extreme, it's my opinion. I'm looking forward for discussions on this topic and if you haven't understood something, feel free to ask.

Thanks for making it to the end!

[Ginny]

I wonder about stuff like this all the time

One possibility is that, as you say, there are limits. Another (and I'm not saying this is the case, just putting it out there for the sake of argument) is that there are universes where you can bring people back from the dead, but we just aren't observing them.

This is sort of a coincidence that you posted this, because this morning (no, really!) I had a dream that a friend had died. It was one of those dreams that seems really realistic, and when I woke up I was crying and praying for another chance to talk to him. And then suddenly I woke up properly and realised I'd been dreaming. And then when I spoke to him later in the day, I discovered that his neighbour died the previous night. It started me wondering if maybe there was a reality where he had died, but the through the strong belief it changed into his neighbour.

A little crazy, I know - but I like to ask these questions

[Mr Brightside]

You make some very valid points in here, things I was contemplating myself when I started LoA last year. This is going to be difficult to explain without venturing into the spiritual side of things, I know you are more focused on the facts and realism.

First I have to admit I had a hard time understanding why people who are completely delusional, or crazy if you will, wouldn’t be able to manifest things into their reality. From the LoA point of view, they not only believe and see things that others don’t, but completely accept them as their reality. They believe, know, see and yet they cannot manifest. 

Other things you talked about like resurrection, prolonging your life, is another subject that everyone is dealing with but cannot change. People have been obsessed with life, and what happens after death. The single most important aspect of Christianity is the resurrection of Christ; the entire church is based on this.  We have countless religions, cults, practices that all try to explain that our life is more than this plain physical existence.  Yet after all these thousands of years we can’t change the fact one day were all going to die, you can ignore it or delay it but eventually it will happen.

Hmm how to do I turn this around and say something positive haha. You made some pretty strong points, I don’t think this forum can answer or anybody for that matter. Not with providing tangible evidence in any case.

So I’m just going to give you my opinion on these things, based on my experience. Do I think LoA is real, yes I do, but it’s much more complicated than the basic teachings explain to people.  I can honestly tell you I manifested everything I wanted, what I really wanted. Every single thing people on this forum ask about or try to manifest, I have personal experience in attaining them. I was able to recover my relationship with a ex, after months and even both of us dating other people. Every company I worked for is something I wanted; I eventually got there sometimes at complete random. I manifested all the material things , money, homes I wanted. When I look back at all these things I can trace step by step and compare LoA teachings to it. I have experienced some pretty intense spiritual moments, where I can honestly say there is so much more to life than this basic physical experience.

Now the question is why are we limited to some experiences and not able to take this even further. I don’t know, maybe this is the experience we chose to have in this reality. Maybe our higher self has a plan for us, which we can’t see. Maybe God wanted to limit us, and provided a threshold we can’t surpass.

[MikeG]

The thing that I, and every other people that tried with conviction to use the law of attraction, is that we cannot ignore the evidence that is before our eyes and that's why we've chosen this "faith".  There are a lot of events that show up through the power of positive thinking and that's what keeps me hanging on to the law of attraction. We can't ignore the sucess that people have had with this power. And this sucess didn't just happen once, it has happend multiple times already.

Also to Ginny, the whole reason why I made this thread was to understand why certain things don't get discussed. It's OK to ask questions just as long as you don't fear the answer

[Ginny]

What is there to fear? (?)

[Ginny]

While we're on the topic, I have had a couple of experiences that I don't know if they were (to be blunt) a result of a mental illness or psychosis on my part, or whether something truly miraculous had happened. I'm keeping an open mind on both possibilities - I can see with hindsight that I was pretty crazy when I was younger, but still, it's nice also to think that miracles can happen. I mean, if people can grow 6 inches taller in their adulthood (see the thread on one of our members increasing in height from 5'3" to 5' 9" in her twenties, through visualisation) then perhaps it is also possible to change the past and to do other things we currently label as 'impossible'.

[beautifulmesss12sc]

Well i wld like to think "crazy " ppl are confused and cant stick to ONE belief... they are confused?? and as far as resurrecting the dead .. or never dying .. i would find it hard to REALLY believe that ... so IF anyone could REALLY believe it .. maybe they could manifest it.. just a thought i dont think i cld believe it with enuf conviction to manifest it . could you??

[MikeG]

Fear as in be afraid that by asking these questions one could not get an answer that one would expect and thus opening up the possibility that the faith/belief has flaws. For example if God is allmighty, why doesn't he save the starving children or prevent war in certain countries? Those kind of questions will distort the idea of Christianity that we have, but in the end we're not saying it's not real. Just different from what we thought it was. The thing is that you should be open to all possibilities and not "fear" them.

[Mr Brightside]

So Mike what are your feelings toward LoA and/or God in general. I feel like you are asking, but i wanted to know where these questions are coming from.

[AS & I ARE HAPPY MARRIAGE NOW :)]

Mike,

Have you read the book 'Conversations with GOD'... It explains beautifully why some people go through so much pain... http://www.humanitysteam.ru/lib/Conversation%20with%20God,%20book%201.pdf

LOA and positive thinking is very little part of this intriguing existence that we are part of... It boils down to Spirituality for me too... We ARE Spiritual Beings having a Human existence... We are all part of one Consciousness... Our life is the choice of experience that our Soul/Spirit/Consciousness wished to have to expand and grow... It is hard to accept that at first, but I get it NOW

Consciousness always wants to expand and grow with new experiences... To be immortal would be to be stuck in one body and life forever... That is not what the Consciousness seeks

If you meditate regularly (i.e. stop outside thoughts and listen to your inner self) and seek the answers, eventually all of this will become clear to you 

-NS

[Ginny]

Fear as in be afraid that by asking these questions one could not get an answer that one would expect and thus opening up the possibility that the faith/belief has flaws. For example if God is allmighty, why doesn't he save the starving children or prevent war in certain countries? Those kind of questions will distort the idea of Christianity that we have, but in the end we're not saying it's not real. Just different from what we thought it was. The thing is that you should be open to all possibilities and not "fear" them.

Oh. I don't have any fears of that nature.

Not that it matters that much, but I would guess that the majority of people on this forum are not Christian. Nothing to do with LOA, which I think is compatible with all faiths (depending on the open-mindedness of the person) - just, geographically speaking, I think most of the people on this forum are from non-Christian countries.

Just, uh... Wanted to point that out, as your response seems to suggest that Christianity is everyone's default belief, whereas in fact many other religions have more followers.

[MikeG]

I already thought of reading that book, but haven't had the time to do it! I even saw in a store once and wondered if that's a particular sign that I should read it. No more procrastination, going to read part of it today!

Stef these questions existed since I first picked up "The Secret". Heck, one day I was making fun of my friend saying that if you truly believe that he could jump 100m in that precise moment, then he would be able to. (This was prior to me knowing about the LoA) I felt the need to ask these questions, because I'm reading all around the internet, in seminars and in books that everything can be achieved by the power of positive thinking and I couldn't really understand why none of these sources mentioned the "impossible" like resurrection. Were they afraid of not being able to answer these questions? I don't know and that's why I made this thread and why I even asked you specifically to read it, because I feel that you and I share similar points of view.

I'm not religious, but I'm metaphysical. I believe in a higher power, but I can't pinpoint it. For something to be 100% real for me, then I need 2 kinds of evidence. A. I must know it exists. B. I must know that it's not something else. For example a door. I see it (A) and I notice that there's nothing in the exact same space (B), so I believe it's a door. The LoA shows me the A, but it doesn't show me the B and I think the B in this particular case is so hard to prove that I need to depend completly on A. For example mathematics is only A, because it's logic just outweighs any other alternative to the science.
The thing is that I can't do the same with the LoA as with mathematics, because I keep finding these exceptions (the question of Death) and therefore it can be something else. But I can't disregard the examples aswell. Tons of people have had sucess with it, I can't ignore that!

It's really complicated. I have issues with commitment without being 100% sure of the reality.


Ginny I only speak of Christianity, because I don't know enough about other religions to actually discuss this topic. I only picked that religion, because it's the one with the most followers.

[Ginny]

I've learned something new! I was sure that Christianity was a minority religion, and that other religions, such as Buddhism and Islam, had more followers. I thought there would be more Buddhists in China than Christians in the whole rest of the world. But Ive googled it now since you've said that, and it seems you are absolutely right, there are more followers of Christianity than any other religion.

How about that. Very surprised still though. I wonder if Chinese show up in those numbers, as officially the state says its citizens have no religion?

[Mr Brightside]

You don’t necessarily have to see the object to believe it exists or better yet it CAN exist. Think about everything you have in your home, from computer to TV, anything really. Majority of the items you have didn’t exist over 100 years ago, nothing even remotely close to them. The point is someone thought about them, ex. a computer, and actually invented it. Imagine going back in time and trying to explain what a laptop is, people would think you are nuts.

The point is that everything was once just a thought, nothing more. From there it was actually invented and made into reality. If people were just focused on what is actually there we would still be riding ponies to work and living on a farm.

I’m just trying to say look beyond what is there, I’m sure in our lifetime people will create things that would be unimaginable right now to us. On just a personal level, you should do a small experiment. Find something that interest you, an object is really easy for this, and picture it in your mind. If you like you can meditate, but it’s not necessary. If you want to take it a step further find videos online about it and watch them… now I can guarantee you will see this object in some capacity over a short period of time. Sounds stupid but it works.