Why Do Many In This Forum Have So Little Faith??

[koolx]

You know, i got to say this... its pretty downright pathetic to come to this forum and read about people who push for the law of attraction, but they end up putting limits on its power. i thought this was going to be a good forum about loa where you can achieve anything with the power of belief. but, i see so many who possess very little faith in this forum... its absolutely amazing. my question is, why is that? why do many of you suggest loa strongly, but then turn around and limit its power and possibilities?

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[Andrew Wilkie]

koolx,

Interesting choice of words. Most people don't realise they are limiting their own power. They are so engrossed in their own situation and problem, they cannot see the wood for the trees. They will justify why their problem is unique and special. It ain't, yet it seems like it is to them because they are the ones in the thick of it.

Also when they start going for what they want. All their beliefs come up to the surface, all their talks with the naysayers start playing over in their mind. Many people don't want to rock the boat. What if I do get this, what will they think?

The fear of somebody else's reaction is a massive turn off and stops many people in their tracks from doing anything. Many are looking for approval from others instead of pleasing and approving themselves.

Since you have seen this play out. Do you have suggestions then for people who are in a slump?

[Ginny]

I have a sort of related question, and also partially related to Bele's comments on free will posted in various places on this forum:

Why do some things seem to manifest so much more easily than others? It doesn't seem to have any direct correlation to the strength of belief or ability to focus on the positive outcome rather than negative - some things just come easily, and others less so.

You might want to have a good relationship with several different people, but with some you can be as negative as you like, and it's still okay, whereas with others you have to be very very careful to stay focussed on the positive, or it all goes wrong. For example, my SIL is very negative about her husband - she never misses an opportunity to say something negative about him, and in some circumstances I think has even made up lies just to get sympathy (for what? I have no idea - but she has said some pretty wild things). And yet he is still completely besotted by her, the marriage has not collapsed. And when you see them together, she seems very happy - not at all like when she's complaining. And yet, if she were to be that way with another person, she certainly wouldn't get the same results. So, she has essentially got what she wants (beautiful kids, devoted husband, big house and plenty of money) with no effort at all.

In my own experience, I do find that LOA works, but sometimes it takes intense concentration and other times practically none. Sometimes I can be overcome by negative thoughts, and just barely manage to pull myself back to thinking positively, and the thing still manifests relatively easily. As another example - there was a particular job I wanted, but I didn't hear back from the interview for over a week. So I phoned up, and was told that I'd been unsuccessful. I was gutted, tried to think positive thoughts to try to get the job back, but gave up after a few hours deciding that the situation was impossible and I'd just better accept it - I would look for a similar job elsewhere. And as soon as I decided that it wasn't going to happen, I got a phone call offering me the job, as if I hadn't just spoken to them a few hours earlier and told I didn't ()

One possible explanation I think is that it has something to do with collective will. So, if two or more people want the same outcome, it is more likely to happen than if several people want different things to happen (that sounds obvious, but I mean in terms of subtle interactions). So, the less you have to work against other people's desires (eg someone else wanting the same job or partner as you for example), the easier the process is.

Or is that a fundamental misunderstanding of LOA?

[koolx]

koolx,

Interesting choice of words. Most people don't realise they are limiting their own power. They are so engrossed in their own situation and problem, they cannot see the wood for the trees. They will justify why their problem is unique and special. It ain't, yet it seems like it is to them because they are the ones in the thick of it.

Also when they start going for what they want. All their beliefs come up to the surface, all their talks with the naysayers start playing over in their mind. Many people don't want to rock the boat. What if I do get this, what will they think?

The fear of somebody else's reaction is a massive turn off and stops many people in their tracks from doing anything. Many are looking for approval from others instead of pleasing and approving themselves.

Since you have seen this play out. Do you have suggestions then for people who are in a slump?

Andrew, thanks for the reply. I think basically that people still dont believe in the overall power of attraction, although they may read up on it and think theyre "experts" upon the subject. Its pretty sad. I want to tell you all a story about what happened to me. I was under so much emotional strain in trying to get a person back in my life. Even through all this emotional pain, I still managed to continue believing in the power of the LOA. I continuned with my visualizations and affirmations. My faith NEVER fell. Whenever doubt came into the picture, I did what I could to eliminate it. There can a time when I became so positive, that what I wanted actually materialzed in the way that I pictured it. Not only that, but guess what weird thing happened.. I actually predicted a 3-number lottery in my city that came true (I didnt bet, though). And I got healed of a medical problem through faith. So, this is the power of positive thinking and faith. And its disappointing to see many here who become negative and they dont know it by limiting what LOA can do. That alone defeats any possibility for their desires they may want through LOA. The very 1st step in getting what you want in life thrugh LOA is to believe in it.

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[Paris :)]

Andrew and Koolx ur posts r so inspiring! I completely agree!

[koolx]

I have a sort of related question, and also partially related to Bele's comments on free will posted in various places on this forum:

Why do some things seem to manifest so much more easily than others? It doesn't seem to have any direct correlation to the strength of belief or ability to focus on the positive outcome rather than negative - some things just come easily, and others less so.

You might want to have a good relationship with several different people, but with some you can be as negative as you like, and it's still okay, whereas with others you have to be very very careful to stay focussed on the positive, or it all goes wrong. For example, my SIL is very negative about her husband - she never misses an opportunity to say something negative about him, and in some circumstances I think has even made up lies just to get sympathy (for what? I have no idea - but she has said some pretty wild things). And yet he is still completely besotted by her, the marriage has not collapsed. And when you see them together, she seems very happy - not at all like when she's complaining. And yet, if she were to be that way with another person, she certainly wouldn't get the same results. So, she has essentially got what she wants (beautiful kids, devoted husband, big house and plenty of money) with no effort at all.

In my own experience, I do find that LOA works, but sometimes it takes intense concentration and other times practically none. Sometimes I can be overcome by negative thoughts, and just barely manage to pull myself back to thinking positively, and the thing still manifests relatively easily. As another example - there was a particular job I wanted, but I didn't hear back from the interview for over a week. So I phoned up, and was told that I'd been unsuccessful. I was gutted, tried to think positive thoughts to try to get the job back, but gave up after a few hours deciding that the situation was impossible and I'd just better accept it - I would look for a similar job elsewhere. And as soon as I decided that it wasn't going to happen, I got a phone call offering me the job, as if I hadn't just spoken to them a few hours earlier and told I didn't ()

One possible explanation I think is that it has something to do with collective will. So, if two or more people want the same outcome, it is more likely to happen than if several people want different things to happen (that sounds obvious, but I mean in terms of subtle interactions). So, the less you have to work against other people's desires (eg someone else wanting the same job or partner as you for example), the easier the process is.

Or is that a fundamental misunderstanding of LOA?

With the case regarding your SIL, even though she complains and she seems "happy", that doesnt necessarily mean that that relationship will continue like it had before. There may come a point where the relationship will reach a peak of negativity and end. And in many, if not all all cases, such relationships end badly. Another possibility is that the way your SIL acts is attractive to her husband which keeps that bond going, thereby, establishing attraction through LOA. Then again, you really dont know whats going on in that relationship even if you think you do.

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[Ankur Sancheti]

Koolx,

Welcome onboard!

The situation you described people loosing faith, is no brainer neither is it a "Secret information" but a well known fact. Here we do not impose LOA on anyone, Can we really?

You impose, dnt impose, LOA works anyway.

We appreciate you observing this, at the same time, its our collective responsibility to expose the power of belief or whatever you mentioned in your first post.

I believe you joining us, in exposing and educating people on, what you feel the power of belief is.

Ankur

[Ginny]

With the case regarding your SIL, even though she complains and she seems "happy", that doesnt necessarily mean that that relationship will continue like it had before. There may come a point where the relationship will reach a peak of negativity and end. And in many, if not all all cases, such relationships end badly. Another possibility is that the way your SIL acts is attractive to her husband which keeps that bond going, thereby, establishing attraction through LOA. Then again, you really dont know whats going on in that relationship even if you think you do.

Of course, that's true that I can't really know what's going on in the relationship, but what I can see from the outside is that she seems to attract lots of good things into her life, despite being a fairly ungrateful and complain-y sort of person. It's always baffled me, because I can see that she's pretty charming when she wants to be - but it's also pretty easy to tick her off, and she loves nothing better than to complain about people (everyone. she is always being catty and unkind about other people)

Anyway, it's not really my problem - I have very little to do with her. It's just a point of interest to me, like the thing about how I got the job after I'd given up thinking I could get it (and having been told that it had already been given to someone else). Somethings just don't make a lot of sense.

[BELE]

Ginny: That is exactly the issue I pointed at. If we are ten guys trying to manifest the same girl as our wife and there is only one universe, only one of us can have her. And there are actually parallell cases when it comes to most things, although this is less easy to grasp at first site. However, the idea of an unlimited number of universes, where you can actually disign your own universe, opens up for the LOA to work in all situations. If this theory is true, the problems manifesting some things only exists in our minds. Do we really want it, even deep inside? Are we desperate about it? and so on.

koolx: Where is the negativity and lack of trust? Where do you perceive that - I don't. The only thing I perceive is negative stuff coming up to be surrendered during the process, which is well know and common. I write a very positive post, challanging the limiting beliefs of several authors and opening up for unlimited possibilities, and you interpreat it as the opposite. Then you go on talking in favor of limitations? And on top of that you write a post complaining about other people doing exactly that. Why?

[Paris :)]

To Ginny, LOA is a lot more about feelings than words. Ur SIL may have a really good feeling about hher husband but complain when things are just a lil bit less than perfect. Her initial good feelings and expectations(i imagine shes gotten what shes wanted for a long time)are probably what bring the good things she has. What you have is what you expect whether it's clear from the outside or not. It's the same for te people who maybe just started LOA and sppeak a lot of positive things like "I WILL WIN THE LOTTERY!" and they dont get it because they dont truly believe. LOA doesnt judge, it just is.

[Ginny]

@BELE - so, your interpretation is that there are infinite universes, and we inhabit the one that we pay the most attention to? What happens to 'us' in the other universes then? Are we fully conscious, or just props to support someone else's imagined universe?

@Paris - I don't know. It's hard to be sure. It might be that this whole LOA is just a lot more complicated than any of us realise

[Paris :)]

Bele y so much emphasis on the other universes? If there are other universes theyre doin what they do and it doesnt matter to or affect us. LOA is about us taking care of our own needs. ANd as for 10 guys wanting one grl, im quite sure the universe will reward the grl to the guy whos the most of a vibrational match to her or maybe she'll get all ten guys(u cant rule that out. it happens)

[loveofabundance]

@koolx, you came on a litlle bit defensive, like we all do, but you're shaping up to be a real gem!  Welcome aboard!  @Bele, Chill out!  Calm down!  Take a breather.  First of all, there's always 10+ guys crushing on ea. girl.  Guess what.  We aren't like guys.  We rarely notice the guys crushing on us at all.  We notice the guy who makes the best impression.  Seek to truly love her as purely and truly as you can.  The answers will come to you!

[Ginny]

Actually BELE, I wasn't meaning to have a go at you - I really am just curious as to your interpretation. I certainly don't know anything for sure, so I like to hear all different kinds of theories. So, please don't read my question as hostile - it really is just inquisitive.

[BELE]

Ginny: The theory of multiple universes comes from quantum physics. In the universe (or universes) there is matter & energy and consciousness. The concept of identity is not equally clear. Maybe there is only one of “us” and the separation is only an illusion. The issue regarding identity does not necessarily get much more complicated if there are multiple universes compared to where there is only one. However, my point was directed at the limitations imposed on LOA by people claiming there is scarcity (1) because there is only one universe and thus only one of every person and every individual item or (2) that LOA doesn’t work when it would conflict with free will. Actually, it doesn’t matter much if these beliefs are true or not – what really matters is they are not empowering.

Paris : If what you write is correct the LOA doesn't work for the other nine guys. Talking about limiting beliefs!
loveofabundance: I hope you take your own advice before writing another post like that.