If two people wish the same specific thing

[UpLOAding]

I briefly mentioned this elsewhere but wanted to discuss it.

I don't believe in relativism, especially not in the field of social interaction, because humans live in society and everything we do has an impact on others, regardless of whether we feel good about it or not.
Example:
Imagine our total population was only 10 people and our world (or Universe) is a big one-room apartment. Now, 5 of them are smokers and 5 of them are non-smokers. Obviously the non-smokers are passively affected by the smoking of their flatmates. They get ill and complain and would like to ban smoking. However, the smokers think they have the right to smoke for whatever reason. They are in constant disagreement, and will be like that until they either find a common solution, or until 5 of them leave the apartment (expand/leave/switch Universe?).
 
Either case involves giving up something.
 
I think this is not compatible with the LOA idea of "abundance". But the world is made of 7 billion people, not infinite, 7 continents, not infinite. They are beautiful, terrific, and we can be happy with whatever we like, but people also have wants, and when these are in conflict there must be some kind of regulation. That's where I focus on building my idealism.
What could be "common solutions" that involve giving up least as possible?
 
But think of it: even in LOA, you would be giving up on something. For example, I think that most people here are giving up their specific wants because (quite obviously) there is a better chance of finding something similar that is not in conflict.
 
While I don't think relativism is very harmful, I do think it can be used as a good pretext to not take a stance, to watch and do nothing while others suffer and die, and also to make many new friends.
 
The ideas of relativism and abundance avoid some types of conflicts, but don't address the fact that two people might want the same specific thing, the same specific partner, might live in the same apartment but suffer due to the externalities of the other.
Some people try to make people more healthy while others don't care about messing them.
How could the result satisfy both wants?

To truly be independent from others we need to give them up completely. In the most extreme sense, this would involve leaving human society.

[Andrew Wilkie]

Either case involves giving up something.- That is a belief,not a statement of fact. 

Your focus is on giving up, not on what you will gain. The old adage: your cup is half full or half empty. Most of us are taught to look at things as empty.

For me the underlying belief in it all is there is not enough.  Although people may want the same thing, no two people come at it in the same way.

[huanyi]

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[UpLOAding]

I seriously, seirously, seriously, seriously, feel as if people are not taking me seriously in here.
 
I think I'm leaving as there's no point to discuss here...

[judasentinel]

It is a very difficult question to answer because to me at least, there is no right answer. I think Andrew wasnt able to capture the answer you were looking for.

Sometimes, in life you end up wanting something that is the exact opposite of what the other person wants, in that if you get your wish, the other does NOT get his/her wish. Is that the scenario you want clarity about?

In case of 5 people wanting to stay in the apartment and smoke, and the other 5 not wanting to be passive smokers and still want to stay in the apartment, the choices are mutually exclusive. YOu see that, dont you? So what happens then? Let's say both are doing all the right things to influence the FREE WILL of the other party. Who will win? The answer is: WHO KNOWS!!

Someone will have to compromise, I agree, if not completely give up their desire. But this is an extreme case of idealism where things will move in the direction of a human interaction with an aim to resolve this matter. LoA would still be at work as people will come together to find a solution somehow, a middle ground.

[UpLOAding]

Yes, the middle ground!
 
The reason I asked this is because I think we do need reasoning, negotiation, ideology, religion, politics, and so on, in order to find a middle ground for so many issues in the world!
 
The way most LOA proponents put it, it seems that we should just sit back and relax until "something" happens.
I am somehow skeptical about that notion as it has never led me anywhere, neither before discovering LOA nor after discovering it.
 
The second reason obviously also has to do with relationships.
It is obvious that if two people wish to be with the same person, one of the "contenders" will have the right traits at the right moment, and therefore will seem more "compatible".
 
What does this mean?
 
Following the "mainstream LOA", the losing contender could easily think "There are other girls, maybe she's not the right one".
Whereas I would also suggest "There are other ways to reach her heart". This could mean gaining traits that overtake that of the contender, and this could also mean that the initial winner will be the one to think "there are other girls, maybe she's not the right one".
 
That is the way I personally interpreted LOA. That if one person really wants something more than the other, he might get it if he shows it, works on it, puts his effort and deserves it.

[UpLOAding]

Why did you not comment on my last reply?

[HelpingitHappen]

UpLoading,

I think you may be missing one important point concerning LOA.
LOA is not an entity. It is really what the Entity, (God, Universe) offers us as reasoning beings. It is law, so as reasoning beings, we partake in it whether we know it or not. That way it is universal and no tabs need be kept by the Universe. Thus why my belief in God is so different than most people I know.
I don't see God as a Kindly, white bearded man writing down everything we want or do in a big "book of life", telling some yes and others no.
The Universe is self perpetuating, and this is because of the LAWS of the Universe.
My main point here is that even though two may want the very same exact thing, the Universe knows by law, which one truly wants and why, not only that, the Universal Laws are perfect, thereby are able to tell by the feelings and emotions of the two individuals, what is perfect for them. It may not be what the individuals think they want, but it will be what will make the individuals truly happy. (of course this depends on their vibrational states)
That leads me to another point of the two individuals wanting the exact same thing; The Universe senses the vibrations of both individuals (all individuals) simultaneously, and as you must know, no two individuals can ever think (feel) the very exact same thing, at the very exact same time, in the very exact same way. So the one with the highest regard vibrationally to the desired thing, will have the desired thing, and the other will have the desired thing in something else that matches his/her vibration. So as I see it, it is not a compromise, or giving anything up so someone else can have it. It is merely that the Universal Laws are perfect laws and they work perfectly for every reasoning being.
Because also of the many lifetimes we lead, and the learning processes we go through during these lifetimes, every one individual is at a different level of self awareness than anyone else. Thus creating the endless supply of whatever we want. (infinite abundance, field of potentiality) This is why I feel that the regulation you imply needed is already, perfectly and automatically installed.
Remember that the only real reason we are here, our only true responsibility as reasoning beings is to know ourselves. Once we reach that totally enlightened awareness of ourselves, we no longer have need to be human, and when that state is achieved, we are not born to the earth again and we remain spirit for infinity.
I know this is an older post, but I felt compelled to reply anyway.
Food for thought eh?
Peace and Love
BW

[William Yeoh]

Well in my opinion, you are only focusing on just LOA, there are other forces at work here in the universe.

There is Law of Gravity,Law of Cause and Effect,
and many other natural law in the universe.

If you have read "Think & Grow Rich", law of attraction is just but one of the law.

There is also LAW CORRECT THINKING, LAW OF FORGIVENESS, LAW OF GOLDEN RULE,
so now in your case, 5 smokers in apartment and 5 non smokers in the same apartment, depending who uses all the natural laws in
harmony, who will prevail.

I give you another example, if a famer visualise that his crop will be bountiful by the harvest season, and the weather is perfect, it rains
when is suppose to, or sun shines brightly, and no pest is around and weed wont be growing out, BUT FARMER DID NOT TAKE ACTION,do
you think the farmer will get a bountiful crops? Of course not!!

Ok Farmer takes action, instead of using water on his plant, he water poisen over it, now do you think he will get what he wants?
Is obvious he wont get any right? We live in both physical and spiritual plane So once we send forth our wants/vision/desire
to the universe, it time to work. All philosophers agrees that all things are create twice, first in the mind, second man actualise in the world.

So many factor comes into play, now only just correct thinking important,correct action also is important. The one who gets what he wants
is the one who has correct thinking,correct action and also works harmoionsly with all the natural laws, not just law of attraction. 

Hope this clears up a lil bit of your confusion.