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Re: You dont need "ANYTHING IS POSSIBLE" !!!
« Reply #15 on: January 12, 2018, 11:53:49 PM »
I think the thing you say about Neville, Superman - about people sort of worshipping him and taking his word as gospel...I've seen that happening in particular with followers of Abe also....It seems to happen with these other "gurus", too.

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Re: You dont need "ANYTHING IS POSSIBLE" !!!
« Reply #16 on: January 13, 2018, 12:37:43 AM »
Neville : All transformation begins with an intense, burning desire to be transformed. You must want to be different and intend to be before you can begin to change yourself. Then you MUST MAKE YOUR FUTURE DREAM A PRESENT FACT.”

So I answered: Many times we are transformend without any desire. Sometimes you are tranformed by an event, a situation, a person, a book... a love who leaves you... So no all transformation doesnt beging with a desire... even less with an intense desire. Many times you dont want to change or want to act in a certain way but you do.... But yeah a tranformation can begin with a desire. But as always Nevilles is exagerrating.

Do you deny that? Is that sad?
Are you saying that the only times you were transformed or changed in life is through your own "will" and "power"?
The fact is no! Many times we are changed by many things. So no, a transformation or a change doesnt necessary begins with an intense desire, nor a will to be different as Neville said it.

And no it is not " letting life kick you in the balls and tell you where to go" it happens to all of us.
And whats even more important is that you dont necessary control or master your life with desire. Thats so false! That is the problem with neville... giving too much importance to desire and imagination. While millions of people have burning desire to eat yet they don't.

You lack of criticizm and that is sad :s
Please dont confuse mastery of loa or mastery of life with being a slave of desires. Desire can blind you and make you desperate. It is not the key of LOA. What neville gets right is when he says that the change of life is the change of consciousness but that is not having burning desires. Often desires stop you to generate the right state of mind. Often it give you fears... So change of counsciousness is something much greater than desire.

The purpose of learning about LOA is so that we can change our reality to something else INTENTIONALLY. Of course unforeseen or unintentional events can and do transform us. So what? Life happens. Desires happen. If you want to understand the part of you (the real you) that exists outside the realm of desires, you're in the wrong forum. I, for one. don't need lessons from anyone here on that subject, I have my own sources for lessons on that subject ... from those who understand FAR more about it that you, me or anyone here does. So let's use an LOA forum to talk about LOA.

Neville is talking about LOA, he doesn't use the stupid term "LOA" but he is telling us how to use our minds to create a better, more desirable life.  Your criticism of his heavy use of concepts like desire and imagination is like going to a karate class and criticizing the Sensei for constantly talking about kicking and punching. Karate IS kicking and punching, LOTS of it, so talking about it constantly is appropriate. You are there to learn how to fight, using empty hand techniques focused around kicking and punching.

Neville uses imagination to create a situation wherein the desire is fulfilled. That method is central to his success, and he has had the successes to back it up.  When he is writing about LOA or speaking about LOA he will, necessarily, ONLY talk about subjects, concepts and ideas that further what he is trying to convey. When he's taking a piss, cooking dinner or banging his wife, my guess is that he is NOT talking about desire, imagination or anything else like that. See the point?

When other teachers talk about LOA they do the SAME THING. Abe Hicks goes on about the "vortex," whatever the fuck that is, ALL the TIME. Or becoming the "vibrational equivalent" of your desire. These terms are just obfuscations of what Neville says, meant to sound fancy. Vibrational equivalent is just another way of saying "emotional state."

"... you dont necessary control or master your life with desire. Thats so false!"

Neville does not say that. He has never ever said that. The desire is simply a circumstance in your life you wish to have. Like Neville wanting to marry the woman he loved, but had an estranged wife who would not free him to do so with a divorce. He put into practice all the things he tells us to do, and out of the blue an opportunity to get the divorce he wanted presented itself. BRILLIANT! Not using "desire" to control your life, but using your MIND to accomplish your desire.

Remember ... I said this before, Neville studied with a mystic called Abdullah - for 6 years, so they say. 6 years of intense training with a man who had little patience for failure. So having fears resulting from desires, and being stunted as those fears block your focus, subconscious belief, etc was something Abdullah beat out of Neville. Not literally, but yes, he was hard, as they say. Have you read the story of Neville going back to Barbados? He was broke as a joke but had a burning desire to be back with his family in warm, sunny Barbados and not be in cold, snowy New York. Read that story again and again until you GET it. Neville learned to master his emotions and not to doubt at every turn. Most of us don't have that luxury. We can read Neville and others and get a great deal, but we don't have that teacher there to guide us, whip us into shape.

Fact is, most people, especially Americans and Europeans, are too fucking arrogant to put themselves in that situation. Few of us here would make it under the tutelage of a man like Abdullah. But if you were so lucky to find one like that, you have a good chance, after many years, of reaching the level of someone like Neville. LOA takes tons of discipline. Its simple but not easy.

And remember also that the VAST majority of people in the world will never hear about LOA, nor would they believe it if they did, so the suffering of the world is the business of the world, do not let it affect your learning and practice of LOA.



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Re: You dont need "ANYTHING IS POSSIBLE" !!!
« Reply #17 on: January 13, 2018, 12:53:30 AM »
Something crazy about this forum is that people dont even read the main post... they focus on secondary comments and debate with it.
Anyway I knew there would be neville fanatics here lol :D

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Re: You dont need "ANYTHING IS POSSIBLE" !!!
« Reply #18 on: January 13, 2018, 01:10:11 AM »
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I think the thing you say about Neville, Superman - about people sort of worshipping him and taking his word as gospel...I've seen that happening in particular with followers of Abe also....It seems to happen with these other "gurus", too.

Very true ... far more with Hicks than Neville, and Neville actually created with LOA, could demonstrate it, whereas Hicks ... kinda doubt it given the excuses made over and over. Example would be "don't be concerned with WHEN" or "go general."

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Re: You dont need "ANYTHING IS POSSIBLE" !!!
« Reply #19 on: January 13, 2018, 01:14:31 AM »
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Something crazy about this forum is that people dont even read the main post... they focus on secondary comments and debate with it.
Anyway I knew there would be neville fanatics here lol :D






I responded to your original post, you replied by repeating what you said before and not carrying the discussion further, so I elaborated by directly addressing your reply.

Regarding Neville fans, fuck yeah, he could actually create major demonstrations of LOA, can you? Neville was the real deal, a rarity in any discipline, so its wise to be a fanatic. Perhaps you're just bitter than he gets the attention you so desperately crave.

Just a theory.  8)
« Last Edit: January 13, 2018, 01:16:23 AM by Desideratum »

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Re: You dont need "ANYTHING IS POSSIBLE" !!!
« Reply #20 on: January 13, 2018, 01:44:26 AM »
What a childish attitude. Use neville to manifest a more mature self please.

Please see this post as a constructive criticizm. No need to go into fights or fanatism.
Read everything and agree and disagree by using smart arguments. Im giving my opinion here and I hope it can bring you something... if you have to add something to this dont hesitate to do so.



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Re: You dont need "ANYTHING IS POSSIBLE" !!!
« Reply #21 on: January 13, 2018, 01:57:00 AM »
What a childish attitude. Use neville to manifest a more mature self please.

Please see this post as a constructive criticizm. No need to go into fights or fanatism.
Read everything and agree and disagree by using smart arguments. Im giving my opinion here and I hope it can bring you something... if you have to add something to this dont hesitate to do so.




I read and disagreed using smart arguments. Just like you said. Can you address or refute those arguments, or will you just continue to complain? So far all you have done is whine about peoples' replies, where is your smart argument?

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Re: You dont need "ANYTHING IS POSSIBLE" !!!
« Reply #22 on: January 14, 2018, 02:00:18 AM »
Criticising Neville fan's and followers is not the same as criticising Neville's work, especially because the teacher is dead and all of his work is free.


Also, a smart argument is not accusing people of being unable to understand when they disagree.



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Re: You dont need "ANYTHING IS POSSIBLE" !!!
« Reply #23 on: January 15, 2018, 09:52:28 AM »
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“All transformation begins with an intense, burning desire to be transformed. You must want to be different and intend to be before you can begin to change yourself. Then you MUST MAKE YOUR FUTURE DREAM A PRESENT FACT.”

I think (meaning not sure) this quote comes from, The Power of Awareness.
The context is "intending and wanting to be different" just as he says, therefore he is not talking/addressing accidents, happenings.

He does say in The Power of Awareness "For the state from which a man observes the world determines the world the man describes." Therefore, limited, unlimted is just a matter of state.

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Desire is the first step in Neville's vision. You are just giving an incomplete message and taking things out of context.
Very unfortunate.

« Last Edit: January 15, 2018, 10:18:04 AM by ImaginationisKing »

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Re: You dont need "ANYTHING IS POSSIBLE" !!!
« Reply #24 on: January 15, 2018, 02:06:23 PM »
You can say what you want but this is 100% false: « All transformation begins with an intense, burning desire to be transformed. You must want to be different. »

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Re: You dont need "ANYTHING IS POSSIBLE" !!!
« Reply #25 on: January 15, 2018, 02:34:36 PM »
but this is 100% false: « All transformation begins with an intense, burning desire to be transformed. You must want to be different. »

Right, but he's not saying what you thought he was saying, Sup.

"You must want to be different and intend to be before you can begin to change yourself.", which shows obvious intention, not happenstance. In context, he is saying something different from what you understood.



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Re: You dont need "ANYTHING IS POSSIBLE" !!!
« Reply #26 on: January 15, 2018, 03:30:23 PM »
Trust me after years of reading Neville I understand him very well. As I said I was a big fan.

And no you don't even have to have an intent to change. Sometimes I just meditate for example and it produces specific state of mind for example. I havent any desire nor want to change anything and often I was not even aware of that possibilites yet still It produced change. Often having a desire it would only deprive me from that experience. That is true in many of my experiences, even in out of body experiences or every day life. Desire and lack are very similar energy. What is important is the mastery of your states. Of course even him says that but adds more unecessary thinggs and exagarete them.

Neville is totally right when he says that state of mind is important and that the reality reflects that. He said many great stuff, and people before him too. Where he is wrong is on the imagination and desire part. He makes it too extreme and gives it too much importance. Calling it God. It is not.
And finally I think we are debating too long on that quote... while my first post was not about that problem. I was more talking about his extremism and how it distracts people of not dealing with immediate problems. And how he motivates people to focus on others and change their lives. Thinking that others are just your reflections. It is a big oversimplification. He never tells people that all peopl have their own identity, integrity and core beliefs that filter the recieved thoughts of others. That is what creates practices such a RS for example... a misunderstanfing of the Law. Another problem is he is so BOLD about his statements on being limitless, anything is possible yet in his success story examples and in his book where he writes the stories of his readers... the success stories are so minimalistic. Every person knowing Neville should think about that.

If I write this is not to debate in vain or have right. I said all of this because most of things he said were my limits and i have gone beyond them. Learning to detach myself from what NEVILLE or other said I learned to have greater manifestations and success. When I was 20, I was big fan of neville and I spend sometimes hours in practice, in one day... today I dont even have to do more than 10 minutes and everything is much more effortless.

I write about all of this because I see Nevilles groups and the state of mind of "its" people. I recieve his fans messages asking me to visualize for them etc etc. This needs to be debated.

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Re: You dont need "ANYTHING IS POSSIBLE" !!!
« Reply #27 on: January 16, 2018, 11:52:27 AM »




"Trust me after years of reading Neville I understand him very well. As I said I was a big fan."

This is a categorically untrue statement. Either you do NOT understand Neville, or you are being intellectually dishonest.

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Re: You dont need "ANYTHING IS POSSIBLE" !!!
« Reply #28 on: January 16, 2018, 01:03:16 PM »
Criticising Neville fan's and followers is not the same as criticising Neville's work, especially because the teacher is dead and all of his work is free.


Also, a smart argument is not accusing people of being unable to understand when they disagree.




And it's not accusing people of not understanding and blinding everyone with science as well, I've seen that a great deal here.

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Re: You dont need "ANYTHING IS POSSIBLE" !!!
« Reply #29 on: January 16, 2018, 01:16:29 PM »
And it's not accusing people of not understanding and blinding everyone with science as well, I've seen that a great deal here.

Surely that depends on whether it's a science based topic or not, doesn't It?

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