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Re: If you'd like to try coaching without the regular rate:
« Reply #45 on: December 28, 2014, 08:18:33 AM »
I don't think you tearing someone to shreds really matters - We are free to choose which teacher to follow or not... If I had to - I rather pay Mauzer or Armine than get free teachings from someone I cannot look up to... I recently bought Armine's book because I value her time and effort


This conversation was not about what you could do with YOUR time or money. This was about how Armine SHOULD conduct herself if she REALLY KNEW what she was talking about.

Do you think that your sleight of hand attempts to deflect criticism can't be seen ?


You shouldn't take someone's money just because they are willing to pay you, if it is not right to do so to begin with. This is a basic principle.

If you look at the neville link that Anna recently posted (brilliant link Anna !), you'll hear Neville's student say that Neville insisted that he will not now nor ever collect a single cent from his students, because if he does, he clearly does not know what he is teaching, and is no different from all the shysters out there.


Check out this lecture ''God's Purpose' by Neville Goddard himself from November 22 1971, a year before he passed away... From 11:00 to around 14:00 mins he clearly speaks how much he charges for his talks... $40 in 1971 for 5 talks is about $230 today...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cQDNQKaFjOI

Do note how in his lectures he is not cursing or degrading those who oppose him



I only blast those who are disingenuous in their opposition. They know they are lying and yet they continue. I find that disgusting.

I listened to the clip. I stand advised. So Neville might have succumbed to the LOAPorn virus after all. The spirit is willing but the flesh is weak, eh ? It is a real pity.

Neville here clearly says he charges $40/head for tickets to 5 of his talks. At any point in the time when he was alive, $40 would not have been a trifling sum for an average blue collar worker. He got someone to rent a lecture hall for $90/week, he had 208 attendees to his talks that week, and he kept 60% of the takings for himself and gave 40% to the person who spent $90 to rent that hall for him on the basis of this promise. That person receive 37 times his original investment in return for this, tried to give it back to Neville as being way too much for his efforts, but he wouldn't take it because a deal is a deal. Neville made $5000 out of this single week, and that was only 60% of what he could have made.

He could have made $32k/mth, which even today is a huge sum, but in 1970, would have been worth several times more in terms of purchasing power.

Ah what a pity ! What a pity ! Neville ! Neville !! Noo........noo......Sigh sigh sigh sigh....sigh....




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Re: If you'd like to try coaching without the regular rate:
« Reply #46 on: December 28, 2014, 08:21:10 AM »
Armine, sorry your thread has to be littered with such filth.  It's unfortunate that gutter creeps don't always stay in the gutter.


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Re: If you'd like to try coaching without the regular rate:
« Reply #47 on: December 28, 2014, 08:26:32 AM »
MA138, just to make one point clear, offering materials and generalised forum advice is very different from personalised mentorship or coaching in person, email or over the phone/videocon and Armine charges for the latter, not the former.

That said, my point about not charging for LOA training remains valid for this element. If you really know what you're doing, you would already have the money, and you wouldn't charge anyone for it.

Neville clearly lost this understanding along the way. He lost his total faith. He had his garden of Gethsemane, and he blinked.

I think I'm going to get my cubs to read this thread. It is important to understand that lions can succumb to man-ic thinking down the line.

Oh my heart is heavy. So heavy. I need an angel to give me a kiss.

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Re: If you'd like to try coaching without the regular rate:
« Reply #48 on: December 28, 2014, 08:51:59 AM »
seems like the same dude to me.


Definitely the same dude. The same Total Trash. Do you know that even the schizophrenic and the totally mad heal but the psychopath can never be cured? :(

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Re: If you'd like to try coaching without the regular rate:
« Reply #49 on: December 28, 2014, 08:52:32 AM »
Hi Ma:

I'm not your mother so get your facts straight ;)

Money? Do you mean this part to me, Armine? No, don't, please. Because I'm afraid I don't agree with you on this one. It's indeed a mistake, in my humble opinion, that you give it for free 90% of the time. Rather, you must be paid 100% of the time. They all MUST pay no matter what. You then take the money, if you don't need it, and lend it to someone or donate it to charity or even throw it away. But you MUST take the money and they MUST pay, every single time with no exception. Not because you need the money, but because otherwise they WILL NOT PAY ATTENTION. Otherwise they'll subconsciously MISTAKE what you have and automatically DEVALUE and UNDERESTIMATE all you're going to say no matter how valuable. So they MUST pay, even if symbolically, but they must pay anyway. And when they pay, they'll "follow the money;" thus, now carefully listening to you, they'll pay proper attention, have a better judgment, and far more reasonably decide if it's worth it or worthless—or worth more. 

This is what I originally meant to quote, but I quoted your entire message by mistake. Anyway, what you wrote here implies that if you don't pay money for good advice, it's automatically without value and pretty much worthless. I said it was dumb because I think you're a lot smarter than that. You're being supportive with Armine and trying to justify it, but I'm giving my opinion on why I think she shouldn't be charging money for advice. If she chooses to continue to do so, I wouldn't tell people to stay away from her or claim that she's a fraud. I know Armine doesn't specialize in ex back, but I just used that as an example since it's the most sought out topic on these forums.

Now I like you Zorba and this is why I'm telling you what I think. You're upset about my comment, but it wasn't said to piss you off; I said it because I do think you're smarter than what your messaged had implied. Too many people are afraid of speaking their minds because they're afraid of being judged or frowned upon. If you truly love a person, then why would you not be honest and tell them whats on your mind? You did mention how you didn't like some of my posts, right? So why not say something and share your thoughts. I wouldn't get angry or upset with you. If a person does get upset with you for being honest, then that's their problem and not yours. I noticed you did this with Mr. B in another thread on why you thought he was wrong in banning MC, but you didn't feel the need to tell him his mistake.

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Re: If you'd like to try coaching without the regular rate:
« Reply #50 on: December 28, 2014, 09:31:29 AM »



OK, MA; let me briefly answer you while I'm still here:

what you wrote here implies that if you don't pay money for good advice, it's automatically without value and pretty much worthless. I said it was dumb because I think you're a lot smarter than that.

Yes, I guess I'm smarter than that.


Now I like you Zorba and this is why I'm telling you what I think. You're upset about my comment, but it wasn't said to piss you off

I'm not upset and it definitely didn't piss me off. I get pissed off only once a year (and this year the honor already went to MC, just a few days ago. :D)


I said it because I do think you're smarter than what your messaged had implied.

Even THIS expression would have been more appropriate. It's OK, Ma; I don't want to go any further with this issue, because it's really no big deal. I just care to have better, finer communications, especially with the few I do read, follow, and appreciate. That's all. Please speak up your mind and never worry about that. It's just that dumb means stupid, at least sometimes, and I don't really believe we need to use such a word. Besides, pay attention to the context where it seems there is a conflict here and people are seemingly taking sides. The context itself was wrong, MA: MC asked who agreed with Zorba, and immediately after that you wrote that was dumb. See? The context, man. I wasn't there; I later read BOTH POSTS together. But, I know you didn't mean it, of course. I know you're much smarter than that. So just care a bit next time. And I anyway sincerely thank you for your interest, my friend. :) No, not upset at all, really; I'm much simpler than you can imagine. ♥


I noticed you did this with Mr. B in another thread on why you thought he was wrong in banning MC

Never did. Banning MC was right not wrong. What I said was that he "made at least 2 mistakes" and never revealed what they really were. Here they are anyway: First, the banning was too late. Second, he removed all his posts. And obviously, it's because of this second mistake that he's here again today.

Thanks again for your post and interest, Ma; and have a great night. ♥

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Re: If you'd like to try coaching without the regular rate:
« Reply #51 on: December 28, 2014, 09:54:01 AM »

Definitely the same dude. The same Total Trash. Do you know that even the schizophrenic and the totally mad heal but the psychopath can never be cured? :(

Thanks AngelWings (always a sweet breeze of love :)), Lunar (the best laugh in a week :D), Kazoo (been dearly missed, my lady ♥) and Armine (an angel; please just do whatever you love, Armine; this forum is rather grateful for your presence and sharing all along). That's it for me, and sorry to MA in case he still has more to add as I personally won’t step in this infested thread again.

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Exactly.

And if I may...MA, I think what Zorba was getting at is the psychology behind what people value.  Not that something that they get for free has no value.  (I've personally never paid for coaching or any other LoA materials.  But who knows, I may some day if I feel drawn to do so...) 

Let me use this as an example.  Two teenagers just got a new car.  In the first situation the car is brand new and it was gifted to the teenager by the kid's parents.  The other teenager purchased a "new" used car with the money they saved and earned flipping burgers.  The first teenager has a car that is technically worth more.  But the second one probably places more "value" on their car because they worked hard for it and spent their own money.  It was a decision that they made about how to allocate their resources.  It's not to say that the first kid doesn't appreciate the car they got.  Just that it isn't quite the same.

Or say a girl is given a sweater for free and has another that she purchased.  She might take better care of the one she bought because she remembers how much she paid for it vs the free one where she might think "Oh, I got this for free it's no loss if it gets ruined."

So when someone decides that something like coaching is something that they want to spend their resources on they are going to value it more.  I think that was what Zorba meant.  Not that free information can't be valuable.  Or that just because you pay for coaching it will be superior to what is available for free.  Just that there is a different psychology involved we we spend our money on something.  And of course as he said this is general, and is not applicable to every person out there.  Make sense?

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Re: If you'd like to try coaching without the regular rate:
« Reply #52 on: December 28, 2014, 01:32:53 PM »
These two posts from Zorba would make it into the elementary course material for a program on how to be a successful US lobbyist. Looks like you've been attending your classes, Zorba. lolol

As long as I am concerned he didn't even clear the most basic level. hahaha.
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Re: If you'd like to try coaching without the regular rate:
« Reply #53 on: December 28, 2014, 02:26:29 PM »

Definitely the same dude. The same Total Trash. Do you know that even the schizophrenic and the totally mad heal but the psychopath can never be cured? :(

Thanks AngelWings (always a sweet breeze of love :)), Lunar (the best laugh in a week :D), Kazoo (been dearly missed, my lady ♥) and Armine (an angel; please just do whatever you love, Armine; this forum is rather grateful for your presence and sharing all along). That's it for me, and sorry to MA in case he still has more to add as I personally won’t step in this infested thread again.

(A snapshot has been taken so that Ankur may someday enjoy the garbage he allowed in. Please everyone don't reply or comment on such posts from now on; just snapshot them and let's prepare a good collection for the New Year.)

Exactly.

And if I may...MA, I think what Zorba was getting at is the psychology behind what people value.  Not that something that they get for free has no value.  (I've personally never paid for coaching or any other LoA materials.  But who knows, I may some day if I feel drawn to do so...) 

Let me use this as an example.  Two teenagers just got a new car.  In the first situation the car is brand new and it was gifted to the teenager by the kid's parents.  The other teenager purchased a "new" used car with the money they saved and earned flipping burgers.  The first teenager has a car that is technically worth more.  But the second one probably places more "value" on their car because they worked hard for it and spent their own money.  It was a decision that they made about how to allocate their resources.  It's not to say that the first kid doesn't appreciate the car they got.  Just that it isn't quite the same.

Or say a girl is given a sweater for free and has another that she purchased.  She might take better care of the one she bought because she remembers how much she paid for it vs the free one where she might think "Oh, I got this for free it's no loss if it gets ruined."

So when someone decides that something like coaching is something that they want to spend their resources on they are going to value it more.  I think that was what Zorba meant.  Not that free information can't be valuable.  Or that just because you pay for coaching it will be superior to what is available for free.  Just that there is a different psychology involved we we spend our money on something.  And of course as he said this is general, and is not applicable to every person out there.  Make sense?

I get what he was saying and provided an explanation on why I disagreed with him.

I noticed you did this with Mr. B in another thread on why you thought he was wrong in banning MC

Never did. Banning MC was right not wrong. What I said was that he "made at least 2 mistakes" and never revealed what they really were. Here they are anyway: First, the banning was too late. Second, he removed all his posts. And obviously, it's because of this second mistake that he's here again today.

I do remember you saying Mr. B made 2 mistakes, but you not revealing them is why I made my assumption.

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Re: If you'd like to try coaching without the regular rate:
« Reply #54 on: December 28, 2014, 04:54:06 PM »
These two posts from Zorba would make it into the elementary course material for a program on how to be a successful US lobbyist. Looks like you've been attending your classes, Zorba. lolol

As long as I am concerned he didn't even clear the most basic level. hahaha.
It's more like that "guagagaga" kind of sounds new borns make.


No, that would be you Kwin. I was going to post a takedown thread for you, proving that you indeed WORK for the Bilderburglars, whose key PR tactic is distraction, but then I realised you clearly didn't. They have far better public disinformation experts working for them than you. They use national elections to distract the people - it really doesn't get more impressive than that.

You hardly know what you're talking about most of the time. I think you're here to take over from Zorba, who has clearly been shown the door intellectually. The moment that kalamazoo and dittydotty fall in love with you, I'll start reading your posts and then take it from there.
« Last Edit: December 28, 2014, 04:57:15 PM by Moonlight Concerto »

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Re: If you'd like to try coaching without the regular rate:
« Reply #55 on: December 28, 2014, 05:03:00 PM »

Definitely the same dude. The same Total Trash. Do you know that even the schizophrenic and the totally mad heal but the psychopath can never be cured? :(

Thanks AngelWings (always a sweet breeze of love :)), Lunar (the best laugh in a week :D), Kazoo (been dearly missed, my lady ♥) and Armine (an angel; please just do whatever you love, Armine; this forum is rather grateful for your presence and sharing all along). That's it for me, and sorry to MA in case he still has more to add as I personally won’t step in this infested thread again.

(A snapshot has been taken so that Ankur may someday enjoy the garbage he allowed in. Please everyone don't reply or comment on such posts from now on; just snapshot them and let's prepare a good collection for the New Year.)

Exactly.

And if I may...MA, I think what Zorba was getting at is the psychology behind what people value.  Not that something that they get for free has no value.  (I've personally never paid for coaching or any other LoA materials.  But who knows, I may some day if I feel drawn to do so...) 

Let me use this as an example.  Two teenagers just got a new car.  In the first situation the car is brand new and it was gifted to the teenager by the kid's parents.  The other teenager purchased a "new" used car with the money they saved and earned flipping burgers.  The first teenager has a car that is technically worth more.  But the second one probably places more "value" on their car because they worked hard for it and spent their own money.  It was a decision that they made about how to allocate their resources.  It's not to say that the first kid doesn't appreciate the car they got.  Just that it isn't quite the same.

Or say a girl is given a sweater for free and has another that she purchased.  She might take better care of the one she bought because she remembers how much she paid for it vs the free one where she might think "Oh, I got this for free it's no loss if it gets ruined."

So when someone decides that something like coaching is something that they want to spend their resources on they are going to value it more.  I think that was what Zorba meant.  Not that free information can't be valuable.  Or that just because you pay for coaching it will be superior to what is available for free.  Just that there is a different psychology involved we we spend our money on something.  And of course as he said this is general, and is not applicable to every person out there.  Make sense?


All of your examples clearly ignore the fact that people are already paying something valueable for anything that they do - their time. Secondly, they ignore the fact that there is an onus of responsibility on the person peddling his services to be responsible about it. If you are selling something that pays for itself by itself, it makes zero sense to charge anyone for it, and you will only do that if you really don't know how to really work it but are good at talking about it and pulling the wool over everyone elses eyes.

And this does not change whether you're talking to a million people through pamphlets and books, or if you're talking to one person through coaching.

Once again, fundamental integrity. That's were it comes from. That's why Armine is heading towards charging zero even for LOA coaching.

AS (Bad English), if you had a REAL PROBLEM, you would go to someone who actually had the solution, not someone who was merely nice and respectable as you deem it. And if you really knew the LOA, you would not in good conscience charge for teaching it or coaching anyone on it. Its like Bill Gates charging speaking fees for a seminar. Its as ridiculous as that.

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Re: If you'd like to try coaching without the regular rate:
« Reply #56 on: December 28, 2014, 05:14:29 PM »
Zorba wrote :

I'm not upset and it definitely didn't piss me off. I get pissed off only once a year (and this year the honor already went to MC, just a few days ago. :D)



Oh, you mean the thread where I showed everyone that you really didn't know what you were talking about, where you went all over town to avoid answering a very simple question I asked you  ? And I caught you without even trying ?

http://www.powerlawofattraction.com/forum/index.php?topic=19531.msg162358#msg162358

You can't insult powers beyond your comprehension Zorba because all you have is a hot air balloon and it is so easily pricked, it is truly laughable. Even Kwin would be able to put up a better defense.


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