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Re: If you'd like to try coaching without the regular rate:
« Reply #30 on: December 27, 2014, 08:39:23 PM »
Zorba, so I guess I'm not so invisible :) especially when I post about exchanging money for coaching :)
I know my money comes through other channels and this was a good refresher on perspective.  I don't know for sure, but I'm going to assume that Neville Goddard and Joseph Murphy did not defend their own beliefs and only shared them in peaceful, uplifting conversation, and I'm happy to model that.................


Money? Do you mean this part to me, Armine? No, don't, please. Because I'm afraid I don't agree with you on this one. It's indeed a mistake, in my humble opinion, that you give it for free 90% of the time. Rather, you must be paid 100% of the time. They all MUST pay no matter what. You then take the money, if you don't need it, and lend it to someone or donate it to charity or even throw it away. But you MUST take the money and they MUST pay, every single time with no exception. Not because you need the money, but because otherwise they WILL NOT PAY ATTENTION. Otherwise they'll subconsciously MISTAKE what you have and automatically DEVALUE and UNDERESTIMATE all you're going to say no matter how valuable. So they MUST pay, even if symbolically, but they must pay anyway. And when they pay, they'll "follow the money;" thus, now carefully listening to you, they'll pay proper attention, have a better judgment, and far more reasonably decide if it's worth it or worthless—or worth more. 

This is my opinion, my friend; and I really wonder what you're talking about here. But this is basic psychology. This is how humans today think, judge and behave. All masters especially in the west know it, even the clowns and charlatans know it; all therefore charge for what they teach and charge much. Any claim that conditions mastery with offering what you have for free only expresses immaturity and lack of understanding; at best, idealism or utopianism that thrives only in the fanciful dreams of adolescents, but not in the real World of Men.


As for Goddard, Murphy and the like, that was a totally different world, my dear; in which everything, every thought, every value, every meaning, every heart, every man was JUST DIFFERENT. Those were the Good Old Days, remember? At least listen to them on YouTube and observe the way they talk. Even their voice was different. Even their accent was different. Today, 60 years sunk in total materialism, consumerism, greed, violence, pollution, intoxication, ignorance, distraction and mind-control, YOU CANNOT EVEN IMAGINE what that world back then really looked like and felt like. There is NOTHING in common between our world and Goddard's world. Believe me, we don't even read or understand his books as his generation did.


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Wow! Awesome, Armine; thank you so much. ♥ Yes, my dear, that's it; such clips remind me and express exactly what I want to say every time I meet some people here: "How many websites are there? More than a billion (only unique host names not all pages.) How many people are there? More than 7 billions. So, do you have the slightest idea how wonderful the hearts, awesome the pages, and fantastic the words, that are only a click away, just waiting for us to help make our life better and happier; more truthful, graceful and beautiful? Can you possibly imagine how UTTERLY STUPID of me to be here today with you, wasting my time in vain replying to or even silently reading your infinite bullshit?"

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Re: If you'd like to try coaching without the regular rate:
« Reply #31 on: December 27, 2014, 11:52:55 PM »

But you MUST take the money and they MUST pay, every single time with no exception. Not because you need the money, but because otherwise they WILL NOT PAY ATTENTION. Otherwise they'll subconsciously MISTAKE what you have and automatically DEVALUE and UNDERESTIMATE all you're going to say no matter how valuable. So they MUST pay, even if symbolically, but they must pay anyway. And when they pay, they'll "follow the money;" thus, now carefully listening to you, they'll pay proper attention, have a better judgment, and far more reasonably decide if it's worth it or worthless—or worth more. 


How many members here believe what Zorba says, that as long as you don't pay money for good advice, it is automatically going to be devalued, worthless and discarded ?

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Re: If you'd like to try coaching without the regular rate:
« Reply #32 on: December 28, 2014, 12:18:42 AM »
Zorba, so I guess I'm not so invisible :) especially when I post about exchanging money for coaching :)
I know my money comes through other channels and this was a good refresher on perspective.  I don't know for sure, but I'm going to assume that Neville Goddard and Joseph Murphy did not defend their own beliefs and only shared them in peaceful, uplifting conversation, and I'm happy to model that.................


Money? Do you mean this part to me, Armine? No, don't, please. Because I'm afraid I don't agree with you on this one. It's indeed a mistake, in my humble opinion, that you give it for free 90% of the time. Rather, you must be paid 100% of the time. They all MUST pay no matter what. You then take the money, if you don't need it, and lend it to someone or donate it to charity or even throw it away. But you MUST take the money and they MUST pay, every single time with no exception. Not because you need the money, but because otherwise they WILL NOT PAY ATTENTION. Otherwise they'll subconsciously MISTAKE what you have and automatically DEVALUE and UNDERESTIMATE all you're going to say no matter how valuable. So they MUST pay, even if symbolically, but they must pay anyway. And when they pay, they'll "follow the money;" thus, now carefully listening to you, they'll pay proper attention, have a better judgment, and far more reasonably decide if it's worth it or worthless—or worth more. 

This is my opinion, my friend; and I really wonder what you're talking about here. But this is basic psychology. This is how humans today think, judge and behave. All masters especially in the west know it, even the clowns and charlatans know it; all therefore charge for what they teach and charge much. Any claim that conditions mastery with offering what you have for free only expresses immaturity and lack of understanding; at best, idealism or utopianism that thrives only in the fanciful dreams of adolescents, but not in the real World of Men.


As for Goddard, Murphy and the like, that was a totally different world, my dear; in which everything, every thought, every value, every meaning, every heart, every man was JUST DIFFERENT. Those were the Good Old Days, remember? At least listen to them on YouTube and observe the way they talk. Even their voice was different. Even their accent was different. Today, 60 years sunk in total materialism, consumerism, greed, violence, pollution, intoxication, ignorance, distraction and mind-control, YOU CANNOT EVEN IMAGINE what that world back then really looked like and felt like. There is NOTHING in common between our world and Goddard's world. Believe me, we don't even read or understand his books as his generation did.


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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IKjJ6DQF7xY


Wow! Awesome, Armine; thank you so much. ♥ Yes, my dear, that's it; such clips remind me and express exactly what I want to say every time I meet some people here: "How many websites are there? More than a billion (only unique host names not all pages.) How many people are there? More than 7 billions. So, do you have the slightest idea how wonderful the hearts, awesome the pages, and fantastic the words, that are only a click away, just waiting for us to help make our life better and happier; more truthful, graceful and beautiful? Can you possibly imagine how UTTERLY STUPID of me to be here today with you, wasting my time in vain replying to or even silently reading your infinite bullshit?"

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Zorba,

I usually enjoy reading your posts, but this has got to be one of the dumbest posts you've written.

Hypothetically speaking, if Armine and I literally have the exact same advice regarding LOA, but I don't charge money while she does, then that makes her advice more valuable than mine? Even though we'd teach literally the exact same stuff?

Putting a price tag on something just makes it seem more "legit" and it's definitely a smart way to make money; in that case, we should all then maybe pay for our accounts on this forum to be a member. Truth is, charging money for LOA is bullshit but smart for the people making the money. It gets people thinking, "if he/she is charging $100 for coaching, then they definitely know what they're talking about, otherwise why would they charge money???"

Now it's one thing if the money is going towards a charity or some sort of good cause, but find me one LOA teacher/coach who actually does that.

Sorry Armine, I do enjoy your posts here because you're a very smart and intelligent person, and you understand LOA better than I do, but they're other people/teachers here (and everywhere) who teach the exact same stuff and don't make money off of it.

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Re: If you'd like to try coaching without the regular rate:
« Reply #33 on: December 28, 2014, 12:29:01 AM »
I don't believe that free advice is automatically discarded... It depends on the individual and cannot be generalized... There were many times I lost interest in paid material books, cds etc... I have learned many valuable things on the internet that didn't require payment... It really depends on the advice and how well it resonates with you

MC - I also don't believe that you have any place to tell Armine whether she should charge or not... It is her profession and her choice... I don't work for free in my profession then why should she! If someone is not willing to pay they will choose a different teacher.

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Re: If you'd like to try coaching without the regular rate:
« Reply #34 on: December 28, 2014, 12:55:01 AM »
I don't believe that free advice is automatically discarded... It depends on the individual and cannot be generalized... There were many times I lost interest in paid material books, cds etc... I have learned many valuable things on the internet that didn't require payment... It really depends on the advice and how well it resonates with you

MC - I also don't believe that you have any place to tell Armine whether she should charge or not... It is her profession and her choice... I don't work for free in my profession then why should she! If someone is not willing to pay they will choose a different teacher.



Perhaps after you improve your basic language skills, you can lecture me on what I can lecture others.

Those people who insist on not judging others, are almost always trying to escape judgment themselves.

I've explained things clearly enough but i'll do so again. Your profession is not food on the table itself. It is something else, that must be converted through a medium of exchange called money, to eventually become food on the table. There is no other physical way for this to happen for what you are doing in your profession.

LOA teaching is the only profession where the skill being taught - the LOA - can PHYSICALLY put food on your table even if you're in the middle of the desert (just ask the israelites). LOA is a PHYSICAL FORCE. And if you as an LOA teacher aren't good enough to do that, why you've clearly missed much that is important, and you have no business saying you're a teacher. Even if people are foolish or desperate enough (usually that) to pay you for that, you should not take their money if you have basic integrity.

That's what Neville did btw. Watch that video again.

Can you wrap your head around that ?

I think you know me well enough to know that I could have ripped Armine to shreds easily - she left so many openings - but I didn't. I rapped her on her wrists, and even then only lightly. There was a clown coach here called Mauzer, who was exposed by me and torn to shreds for being the bastard loapornstar that he is. Armine, I've been nice to her because I grokked she is different, and true enough she later disclosed that she spends only 10% of her coaching time on paid coaching - which shows she is getting there. It takes something right in you to instinctively move to the correct path. Of course, all her mental bullshit will interfere and cause her to be delayed, but she has done far better than most, she did it on her own without prompting, and that deserves credit.

I am leading her home.

Thank you for replying to my earlier question.
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Re: If you'd like to try coaching without the regular rate:
« Reply #35 on: December 28, 2014, 02:45:17 AM »
I think you know me well enough to know that I could have ripped Armine to shreds easily - she left so many openings - but I didn't. I rapped her on her wrists, and even then only lightly. There was a clown coach here called Mauzer, who was exposed by me and torn to shreds for being the bastard loapornstar that he is.

I don't think you tearing someone to shreds really matters - We are free to choose which teacher to follow or not... If I had to - I rather pay Mauzer or Armine than get free teachings from someone I cannot look up to... I recently bought Armine's book because I value her time and effort

If you look at the neville link that Anna recently posted (brilliant link Anna !), you'll hear Neville's student say that Neville insisted that he will not now nor ever collect a single cent from his students, because if he does, he clearly does not know what he is teaching, and is no different from all the shysters out there.

Check out this lecture ''God's Purpose' by Neville Goddard himself from November 22 1971, a year before he passed away... From 11:00 to around 14:00 mins he clearly speaks how much he charges for his talks... $40 in 1971 for 5 talks is about $230 today...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cQDNQKaFjOI

Do note how in his lectures he is not cursing or degrading those who oppose him

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Re: If you'd like to try coaching without the regular rate:
« Reply #36 on: December 28, 2014, 03:27:16 AM »
I don't think you tearing someone to shreds really matters - We are free to choose which teacher to follow or not... If I had to - I rather pay Mauzer or Armine than get free teachings from someone I cannot look up to... I recently bought Armine's book because I value her time and effort

I don't think Armine is a bad teacher/coach. In fact, I think she has a good understanding of LOA and I wouldn't discourage anyone from seeking her help. I think the problem is that you (and pretty much 95% of people here on this site) dislike MC so much, and see his post as an "attack" on Armine. Both him and Armine have actually been pretty mature in their conversations here.

Another thread was bumped about another LOA coach here (surprisingly, it wasn't wwesrk lol) and I saw zelda_120's post,

Don't know if you are trying to attract some potential customers or not, but please if you really want to help people here, just stop asking them to pay for your service and do that for free no matter how many time they email you a day or what.
God bless.

zelda_120 posted like a 15 page post on how to attract a specific person and even mentioned how she got her ex back. I believe she even started her own blog, but she hasn't charged anyone anything and has helped some people from this site.

Most people on this site are trying to get their ex back and are constantly looking for help. If I read up on a few things/methods on how to attract an ex back and invested in making my own "get ex back program", people would look into it. But if decided to charge money for a "package" and throw some guarantee's, along with some testimonials, I'd become a billionaire. People will pay me, especially the desperate ones, and that's taking advantage of them. The funny thing is that you can literally google "how to get your ex back" and come across a bunch of articles and programs which teach the exact same things, but are just worded differently. Of course, put a price tag on one of them and all of a sudden it has value. It MUST work if it's going to cost me something.

So the question is, what makes Veronica and Armine's teachings/coaching different to what zelda, Moonlight, AdamA, Superman, Zorba's, etc (and the list goes on) teach and why should a person pay money for it, when they can get the same thing for free?

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Re: If you'd like to try coaching without the regular rate:
« Reply #37 on: December 28, 2014, 06:45:22 AM »

Hi Ma:

1. Generalization is a common mistake in "thinking." But when we scientifically speak, we can't generalize, ever, neither writing nor reading. For example, we can never say, or think, that *all* people need to pay in order to properly value what they're offered, or that people *always* have to do this, or *never* do that, etc. All such words are unscientific, and their mere presence in any scientific paper or even serious article or book is reason enough to immediately dismiss it altogether without further explanation. This is how I generally write, so please read it the same way, without generalization, especially when you find it "one of my dumbest posts."


2. If Armine herself gave 2 classes, and charged some money for one class and let the second for free, people in the free class would still think the other class is different, EVEN IF she herself announced she'd give the same material in both classes. People would still think, "Since it requires one to pay for the other class, then definitely there must be *more value* there. She said the same material, yes, but something of value is still there. Perhaps she gives more examples in that other class? Perhaps she comes in a better time and/or mood? Perhaps she....."

This is how people think (although not *all* people, remember?) So to have a clear view, think "ceteris paribus" (all other things being equal), because there are SO MANY variables to be considered here and you can easily be misled. When it's the same Armine and "all other things held constant," price has an "appeal" in itself. And this is both psychology and marketing. "Pricing" is a tough branch in Strategic Marketing, on which voluminous books, numerous researchers and many theories and models have been built and perfected in decades not just years.


3. What I cared to highlight in my post, even more than pricing, is the simple fact that some claims may sound noble or charitable while they are indeed meaningless, unrealistic, immature, perhaps even harmful. As I already said in my post, even if it was a symbolic payment, it'd still be better FOR PEOPLE than nothing at all. It'd be the "anchor" that makes them focus and pay attention, "expecting something" in return; that is, already almost "valuing" in advance what you're going to "give back." I really wonder how this is not clear to you or to anyone here.

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Re: If you'd like to try coaching without the regular rate:
« Reply #38 on: December 28, 2014, 07:04:28 AM »
 

Note 1: Although I'm aware it's infectious to be in a rude environment, I still care to be decent, courteous and respectful talking to the ones who deserve it--and I just expect the same in return. Usually I don't answer posts with such expressions as "one of the dumbest posts you've written" especially in the very first sentence. I too enjoy reading your posts, MA; I sincerely love them and love you, even though some of them were really "dumb." However, I never allowed myself to write so, because neither you nor I really need to descend to this level, do we?


Note 2: I'm not willing to share in this current discussion, and I'm sincerely sorry for that. It's just a matter of time limitation. In fact, I didn't even read the whole thing here. So please, you may just ignore my post(s). I'm writing now only out of my respect to your post addressing me. As for the discussion itself, I'm afraid it's not a discussion in the first place—and I mean MC-Armine part; I didn't yet read the last part. Most people here are just unaware of MC's techniques, which he himself is unaware of but applies subconsciously. So people just get *caught* every time, like innocent butterflies in a spider's web. This is what just happened here with Armine. Courteous and decent, she replied to him, but once she did she just got caught and it was already too late. Here is the rule to remember: ANY discussion with MC can't end unless you either completely submit to his view, or simply shut up. Therefore, it's a totally valueless discussion, and it's only your or NS's sharing in it that gives it any value, the reason he's now almost silent, just watching, and enjoying.


Note 3: "Pretty much 95% of people here on this site dislike MC so much": Who's MC? Is *this* the original MC? Because if he is the same MC, then where is the management of this site, really? Why did they kick him out last month, along with ALL of his posts, and today let him in again? Are you kidding? Did whoever-here-in-charge so soon forget what happened because of him in and what happened because of him out?
   

Now let this be quite clear in case anyone here is interested in my stance:

As for the original MC, MC-Part I, that guy was closely watched and analyzed from day one here. To keep it brief and simple, that guy, DEFINITELY, without a shadow of doubt, had an acute mental or at least psychological disorder. He was very intelligent and very creative, but he was disordered, in serious need for help.

As for the current MC, MC-Part II, this is not the same person. If he is really the same person, then he is different. First: He's less present on the forum (only 5.4 posts per day; the original, 15 posts per day. Actually MC was already a "Hero Member" when he was banned, and in less than a month. MC, the original, only in his first day, sent 27 lengthy posts to the forum; the reason he had to be put under observation from day one. Never before on ANY forum on the ENTIRE web did a newcomer write this number of posts in his very first day, in which he even argued with members as old, popular and Hero as Kazoo.)

Second: If the current is the same MC, then the second most observable difference is that he is internally "broken" (which might be due to what happened with him here.) Broken, he is less creative, but he's also less ferocious. He still has a shadow of the old symptoms and disorder (which I prefer not to talk about, at least for brevity reasons; it's already too lengthy by now), but he is overall a "better" person.

Based on all above, I give this current MC, as I already said yesterday, a new chance every single day. So no, I personally don't dislike him, MA. As a human being, I rather unconditionally love him even if he was the most lunatic person in the world. I rather hope, quite sincerely, that he can open his eyes, find peace, discover the true power and infinite love already within, "see" himself and people in different light and learn how to deal with them. This, however, won't prevent me from showing him how "Love could be Cruel" sometimes, or from voting against him if that was ever viewed the better option for the community here as a whole.

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Re: If you'd like to try coaching without the regular rate:
« Reply #39 on: December 28, 2014, 07:15:01 AM »
Dear Armine,

I have had the pleasure of coaching and helping many for years. I don't charge, for this service though I have for other services in my life. I enjoy the exchange of energy, as I can tell you do as well. What works best for each person, their life, their practice, and their surroundings is best. No judgments makes for a unique, beautiful and inspiring world.

I have loved all the different points of views on the subject everyone, thanks for your input. It is interesting for me, as it is something I do.

 Whatever works best and resonates for you, is what you should do fellow LOA coach, as I see you do. Forge your own path, your own life, your own practice, and life will always serve you with joy. If for some reason, you decide to change that, then so be it.

May you be blessed beyond measure and same for the people you and we all interact with.


ETA: I did want to say thanks for those posting the videos, I really liked them. Also as for MC comments ( in regards to exchange of money vs)  I really did appreciate them as well, they made me think. Different perspectives can really help, or open us up to an area we had not thought about. I appreciate it all. Have a wonderful night, or day ahead to each.
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Re: If you'd like to try coaching without the regular rate:
« Reply #40 on: December 28, 2014, 07:23:22 AM »
As a human being, I rather unconditionally love him even if he was the most lunatic person in the world.

What's wrong with lunatics? :-[

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Re: If you'd like to try coaching without the regular rate:
« Reply #41 on: December 28, 2014, 07:27:52 AM »
Why is this conversation happening?  Armine can decide whatever is right for her.  If people find value in what she is offering then that's on them if they want to pay for it.  It's not up to anyone else to say that she shouldn't be charging for her time.  Geeze.  If you don't want to charge for or pay for coaching then move along.  Armine has been nothing but a positive voice here and doesn't deserve this crap on her thread.

Zorba, apparently MC went to Ankur and asked to be let back on the forum.  So any complaints at this point need to go directly to Ankur.

Anyway, seems like the same dude to me.  They both made creepy comments about Armine's body.  Why anyone thinks that's appropriate is beyond me.  But as you say, the guy isn't exactly all together there.
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Re: If you'd like to try coaching without the regular rate:
« Reply #42 on: December 28, 2014, 07:31:28 AM »
Okie dokes so let me see what I've got to say...

-Zorba, no only the 'my not being invisible part' was speaking to you.  I could have formatted that better  :P

-I have no overall judgment of anyone charging or not charging for this or that... yes all the info is free from the internet to old bookstores and libraries.  The rest regarding money exchange is up to individual opinion.  There is no empirical truth or answer in this matter and speculating about it is not appealing from my perspective.  I do what I like and that's each person's choice at whatever moment.  If Neville charged then didn't charge... does it really matter?  We're forgetting the point is the material, not how each person receives it.  Some people do value things more and take it seriously when they are charged.  Others want the help and don't believe they can afford it.  Yet I would not dare think "I'll help you because you're poor."  I will not see a person as limited in any sense but instead see them as powerful attractors.  Um, that's what my place is.  To imagine them as extensions of God-power and unlimited potential.  To refuse money is contradictory to this.  My helping without charging usually comes from my enthusiasm in knowing that I can help this person right now and I'm not going to wait around for the evidence of money in order to do it... and wait, who even knows where whatever money I do receive goes to?  Did I disclose that I do not give it to charity or reinvest it in a good-cause organization?  Do we all now list our plans in order to prove integrity?  I do things anonymously and prefer it that way.  I do not ask others to prove their integrity to me.  I trust in their integrity and I always exchange valuable experiences with the people I come across.

-If there exixts a comparison between teachers (including me), I'm not a participant because each teacher has their place and neither is always better than the other.  That's why there is variety in life- because each serves a highest purpose to someone at some time.

-Ah, finally the ex-back topic.  I actually do not help anyone just get their ex back.  I would not do that to anyone.  That would be a disservice to any person on this forum or anywhere, as far as I am concerned.  For a person to insist on simply only attracting a particular person back and degrading their God-given gift of happiness and true grace... that is attachment to form and a release of that is necessary to receive true happiness and love beyond measure.  That oftentimes attracts their ex back if there is alignment.  If there is a better match for them that is far beyond their ex, then that is the relationship that manifests and they are so happy they never look back.  I have no intention to help someone attract an ex back only for them to be asking for more advice later because they now have problems in the relationship and they want to attract for their partner to be nicer to them or more like what they want them to be like... we've seen it here on the forum and that's not what people want ultimately.  They want the relationship that reflects that feeling of immense love and passion.  A connection that only a force greater than logic or reasoning could bring.  It's not my place to decide if their ex is that person or not.  It's not even their job.  If they're sure that their ex is the relationship that is the most awesome, then there should be no fear of letting go of form because it will reappear and match their new, higher vibration.  I've been that person desperately thinking my ex was the one for me, because I simply could not see past that from the valley... but God or the universe sees from peaks and meddling in his work is not my intention.

You've all said nice things about me here and there and I appreciate it.  I've gained much from this conversation and I turn to my inner guidance to lead me to how I am to serve my highest purpose.  The God-power within me is greater than conflict and defensiveness.  I do not seek to judge other individuals and equally, I cannot be judged by anyone greater than myself.

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Re: If you'd like to try coaching without the regular rate:
« Reply #43 on: December 28, 2014, 07:56:57 AM »
Why is this conversation happening?  Armine can decide whatever is right for her.  If people find value in what she is offering then that's on them if they want to pay for it.  It's not up to anyone else to say that she shouldn't be charging for her time.  Geeze.  If you don't want to charge for or pay for coaching then move along.  Armine has been nothing but a positive voice here and doesn't deserve this crap on her thread.

Zorba, apparently MC went to Ankur and asked to be let back on the forum.  So any complaints at this point need to go directly to Ankur.

Anyway, seems like the same dude to me.  They both made creepy comments about Armine's body.  Why anyone thinks that's appropriate is beyond me.  But as you say, the guy isn't exactly all together there.

Armine does not have cobwebs in her pussy, and does not spend her time touting her LOA success and then devoting herself to growing taller instead of helping the world. She is trying to bring her message to the world and is moving in the right direction. That's why this conversation is happening, kalamazoo.

This lack of basic integrity on your part is also why you are one of the fluffers to the loapornstars, or would jump at the chance to be that. And you are commenting on what Armine should or should not charge, for something she would ALREADY HAVE if she REALLY KNEW what she was talking about ? Its not your intellect that can't handle this. Its your character or rather the lack of it.

I didn't ask to be let onto the forum. I demanded a whole host of things, including the removal of Brightside as moderator for gross abuse of power to satisfy a personal vendetta against a lion who showed him up to his own world. None of those have been fulfilled but that will be done in short order. My presence here in the interim is of little relevance.
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Moonlight Concerto

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Re: If you'd like to try coaching without the regular rate:
« Reply #44 on: December 28, 2014, 07:58:51 AM »

Hi Ma:

1. Generalization is a common mistake in "thinking." But when we scientifically speak, we can't generalize, ever, neither writing nor reading. For example, we can never say, or think, that *all* people need to pay in order to properly value what they're offered, or that people *always* have to do this, or *never* do that, etc. All such words are unscientific, and their mere presence in any scientific paper or even serious article or book is reason enough to immediately dismiss it altogether without further explanation. This is how I generally write, so please read it the same way, without generalization, especially when you find it "one of my dumbest posts."


2. If Armine herself gave 2 classes, and charged some money for one class and let the second for free, people in the free class would still think the other class is different, EVEN IF she herself announced she'd give the same material in both classes. People would still think, "Since it requires one to pay for the other class, then definitely there must be *more value* there. She said the same material, yes, but something of value is still there. Perhaps she gives more examples in that other class? Perhaps she comes in a better time and/or mood? Perhaps she....."

This is how people think (although not *all* people, remember?) So to have a clear view, think "ceteris paribus" (all other things being equal), because there are SO MANY variables to be considered here and you can easily be misled. When it's the same Armine and "all other things held constant," price has an "appeal" in itself. And this is both psychology and marketing. "Pricing" is a tough branch in Strategic Marketing, on which voluminous books, numerous researchers and many theories and models have been built and perfected in decades not just years.


3. What I cared to highlight in my post, even more than pricing, is the simple fact that some claims may sound noble or charitable while they are indeed meaningless, unrealistic, immature, perhaps even harmful. As I already said in my post, even if it was a symbolic payment, it'd still be better FOR PEOPLE than nothing at all. It'd be the "anchor" that makes them focus and pay attention, "expecting something" in return; that is, already almost "valuing" in advance what you're going to "give back." I really wonder how this is not clear to you or to anyone here.

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A few notes are still there; please read on......

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Note 1: Although I'm aware it's infectious to be in a rude environment, I still care to be decent, courteous and respectful talking to the ones who deserve it--and I just expect the same in return. Usually I don't answer posts with such expressions as "one of the dumbest posts you've written" especially in the very first sentence. I too enjoy reading your posts, MA; I sincerely love them and love you, even though some of them were really "dumb." However, I never allowed myself to write so, because neither you nor I really need to descend to this level, do we?


Note 2: I'm not willing to share in this current discussion, and I'm sincerely sorry for that. It's just a matter of time limitation. In fact, I didn't even read the whole thing here. So please, you may just ignore my post(s). I'm writing now only out of my respect to your post addressing me. As for the discussion itself, I'm afraid it's not a discussion in the first place—and I mean MC-Armine part; I didn't yet read the last part. Most people here are just unaware of MC's techniques, which he himself is unaware of but applies subconsciously. So people just get *caught* every time, like innocent butterflies in a spider's web. This is what just happened here with Armine. Courteous and decent, she replied to him, but once she did she just got caught and it was already too late. Here is the rule to remember: ANY discussion with MC can't end unless you either completely submit to his view, or simply shut up. Therefore, it's a totally valueless discussion, and it's only your or NS's sharing in it that gives it any value, the reason he's now almost silent, just watching, and enjoying.


Note 3: "Pretty much 95% of people here on this site dislike MC so much": Who's MC? Is *this* the original MC? Because if he is the same MC, then where is the management of this site, really? Why did they kick him out last month, along with ALL of his posts, and today let him in again? Are you kidding? Did whoever-here-in-charge so soon forget what happened because of him in and what happened because of him out?
   

Now let this be quite clear in case anyone here is interested in my stance:

As for the original MC, MC-Part I, that guy was closely watched and analyzed from day one here. To keep it brief and simple, that guy, DEFINITELY, without a shadow of doubt, had an acute mental or at least psychological disorder. He was very intelligent and very creative, but he was disordered, in serious need for help.

As for the current MC, MC-Part II, this is not the same person. If he is really the same person, then he is different. First: He's less present on the forum (only 5.4 posts per day; the original, 15 posts per day. Actually MC was already a "Hero Member" when he was banned, and in less than a month. MC, the original, only in his first day, sent 27 lengthy posts to the forum; the reason he had to be put under observation from day one. Never before on ANY forum on the ENTIRE web did a newcomer write this number of posts in his very first day, in which he even argued with members as old, popular and Hero as Kazoo.)

Second: If the current is the same MC, then the second most observable difference is that he is internally "broken" (which might be due to what happened with him here.) Broken, he is less creative, but he's also less ferocious. He still has a shadow of the old symptoms and disorder (which I prefer not to talk about, at least for brevity reasons; it's already too lengthy by now), but he is overall a "better" person.

Based on all above, I give this current MC, as I already said yesterday, a new chance every single day. So no, I personally don't dislike him, MA. As a human being, I rather unconditionally love him even if he was the most lunatic person in the world. I rather hope, quite sincerely, that he can open his eyes, find peace, discover the true power and infinite love already within, "see" himself and people in different light and learn how to deal with them. This, however, won't prevent me from showing him how "Love could be Cruel" sometimes, or from voting against him if that was ever viewed the better option for the community here as a whole.

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These two posts from Zorba would make it into the elementary course material for a program on how to be a successful US lobbyist. Looks like you've been attending your classes, Zorba. lolol
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