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Title: The power of collective beliefs
Post by: Nidya on November 09, 2018, 09:23:22 PM
How to sort a powerful collective belief that is strongly settled down in this 3D realm and according to statistics, you can easily check things work that way? You think is easy to shoot down them from your unconsciouss mind? Be honest, you know the fact that it's  important for manifesting to purge limiting beliefs and give space to new ones. But do you really think is possible to go against the flow easily? I'm talking about this reality, with its codes and laws. I think you understand. However I will give an example, "eat unhealthy and sooner or later you will have   some kind of organic disease", "aging is inevitable, you can age well, but it's aging in the end".
I think we need to face this thing, let's call it the power of collective beliefs in the process of creation of our personal realities. Please, don't talk me about other universes where we don't age and things like that, I'm talking specifically about this reality and my intention is to improve things here
Title: Re: The power of collective beliefs
Post by: Nidya on November 09, 2018, 09:27:12 PM
Another example, let's go to master Neville Goddard: he could not avoid his own death. You think there are no limits in this physical realm? Or the case of Doctor Wayne Dyer. Which is the collective belief here, then: "All human dies, sooner or later". I'm trying to consider things under the scope of this physical realm this case. Please, don't get me wrong.
Title: Re: The power of collective beliefs
Post by: Alexbally on November 09, 2018, 10:02:02 PM
Be honest, you know the fact that it's  important for manifesting to purge limiting beliefs and give space to new ones.

But do you really know though?
Or do you just believe that which others regurgitate from reading books rather than living?

You do not know that which you do not know.
Title: Re: The power of collective beliefs
Post by: Nidya on November 09, 2018, 10:05:23 PM
Many people want rejuvenation,  me too, and it has been demonstrated that it's a question of DNA and elements called telomeres, another example. Should I think my telomeres don't shorten, while all the rest of people is experiencing that? Talking about this pshysical realm, remember
Title: Re: The power of collective beliefs
Post by: Alexbally on November 09, 2018, 11:29:18 PM
Do not forget the importance of the pituitary gland as it's this that governs growth and ageing through hormonal chemical releases into the blood stream.

Why do you feel that you need to think anything at all?
For me, where I put my awareness is all I need too be able to stimulate individual glands (or chakras if you prefer) in my body.
Title: Re: The power of collective beliefs
Post by: alexburke on November 10, 2018, 02:35:09 AM
The impact of every environment that surrounds you can have a similar collective effect based on what's happened inside it.

Use an affirmation recording and play it beside a plant. You might be able to notice some changes.
Title: Re: The power of collective beliefs
Post by: siamesegirl on November 10, 2018, 02:44:56 AM
All the kids I know believe in Father Christmas. But he's still not real.
Title: Re: The power of collective beliefs
Post by: Nidya on November 10, 2018, 04:50:28 PM
Thank you for every answer. Just I wonder how to deal with this issue of collective beliefs in this physical realm and their impact in our individual manifestations, just that.
Title: Re: The power of collective beliefs
Post by: Alexbally on November 10, 2018, 05:05:34 PM
You do not have to ascribe to any beliefs if you choose not to.
You are capable of just observing with nothing attached to the observation.
Title: Re: The power of collective beliefs
Post by: Superman on November 10, 2018, 05:21:45 PM
You do not have to ascribe to any beliefs if you choose not to.
You are capable of just observing with nothing attached to the observation.

Again totally ignorant comment.
What you observe/percieve has everything to do with your beliefs. Nothing can enter your field of perception that is not compatible with your mind or beliefs. If you think you can experience or observe something separately from your beliefs you are fooling yourself. You can go in the city now, on the streets and say I will just observe "the reality" and make my own opinions of life... yet you will see only what fits your ideas of reality and you will experience events that fit you. Someone else being at the same place will experience and observe and interpret everything in a different way. In fact when you go somwhere you go only in your own dimension of that space and time. All the people and events you see are not random and they reflect something about you. Understand that there is no way to experience something or observe something that is separated from your mind. Even in science there is something called "the observer effect" and the "Schrödinger's cat experience" it says that atoms and particules cannot be observed without being infuenced, because without your observation they have no meaning and no outcome. So what you see has everything to do with you.
Title: Re: The power of collective beliefs
Post by: Nidya on November 10, 2018, 05:24:05 PM
You do not have to ascribe to any beliefs if you choose not to.
You are capable of just observing with nothing attached to the observation.

I've received an e-mail from a coach, Dr Bernie. I think you would agree with him, Alex? :


A common misconception of the Law of Attraction is whatever
you imagine will come true.

That definitely is not true.

Everyone has unintentional transient negative thoughts and
images on their mind. These thoughts alone will not result
in manifestations.

What activates the Law of Attraction is not the random or
unconscious thoughts or imagination. The thoughts and
imagery should be applied in a certain way to put the law of
attraction to work.

>>>Question

What happens when people put out conflicting intentions?...
When two people put out the same objective but apparently
only one can achieve the goal?

>>>My Comments

There is a concept called “subjective reality” that there is only
one source of intentions in the universe…and that is you.

The theory behind this is that all the people you interact with
in the world, and all the things you observe exist inside your
consciousness…which is how dreams operate.

“You” are the single consciousness in which your entire reality
is currently taking place.

To understand this better, think of a dream which occurs during
your sleep…the entire dream occurs within your consciousness.

In the same way, your entire world, as you perceive it, is occurring
within your consciousness during everyday life.

Everything in your consciousness is created by you…you are
responsible for it being there.

>>>So…how does this explain the idea of two people putting
out conflicting intentions? Both are trying to use the Law of
Attraction principals to get what they want…for example the
same job.

>>>The answer seems to be that this is an entirely internal
conflict within you…

While you hold the image in your mind that both people want
the same thing at the same time you believe that only one can
have it….

The overall intention you are putting out to the universe
is competition…

Therefore what you are actually creating with the Law is competition…
because as you know, in its simplest form, the principals of
attraction mean your thoughts attract similar energies…

Therefore if you put out thoughts of competition, that’s what you
get back…it puts the responsibility for whatever is created in
your world firmly on you.

>>>But what about the situation where you want your relationship
to improve, but your partner, friend, boss or co-worker is not
interested in that happening.

I will answer this in my next e-letter… be sure to read it.

Hoping you attract all the thing you manifest,
Bernie
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Title: Re: The power of collective beliefs
Post by: Superman on November 10, 2018, 05:29:17 PM
How to sort a powerful collective belief that is strongly settled down in this 3D realm and according to statistics, you can easily check things work that way? You think is easy to shoot down them from your unconsciouss mind? Be honest, you know the fact that it's  important for manifesting to purge limiting beliefs and give space to new ones. But do you really think is possible to go against the flow easily? I'm talking about this reality, with its codes and laws. I think you understand. However I will give an example, "eat unhealthy and sooner or later you will have   some kind of organic disease", "aging is inevitable, you can age well, but it's aging in the end".
I think we need to face this thing, let's call it the power of collective beliefs in the process of creation of our personal realities. Please, don't talk me about other universes where we don't age and things like that, I'm talking specifically about this reality and my intention is to improve things here


There is collective beliefs but this doesnt mean that everyone is influenced by them.
Collective beliefs: smoking kills, eating "junk" food kills, if you fall off an airplane you will be dead...
Yet I know people who smoked their whole life and eat what they could without being dead from a cancer caused by smoking or "junk" food. There is even people who are alive and in good health after falling from an airplane (google it).
What kills you and in what way has to do with your beliefs.
Now of course dying is a need. It is not a belief. It is part of life. But it is not an end. So you can prolong youth and life and you can live healthy your whole life but still you will have to die from something at the end because it is a necessity. And there is much more to life than this Earth or this body. So nothing sad about it.
Title: Re: The power of collective beliefs
Post by: Alexbally on November 10, 2018, 05:33:27 PM
Again totally ignorant comment.

And you sir, are worse than a fascist. Just because I do not subscribe to your paradigm does not make me ignorant.

The meanings that we attach to our observations are a result of our beliefs, not the actual thing happening to us.
You have zero evidence to support anything that you say Supes, so please do excuse me for not taking anything you say seriously until you provide such evidence for us. Calling me ignorant whenever I detail observations is easy to do to make your paradigm look more attractive to people that are not prepared to think for themselves.

Are you trying to tell me that a guy never believed people died from falling out of planes so when he fell out of one himself, he never died?
Come on Supes, do you realise how ridiculous that sounds?
Title: Re: The power of collective beliefs
Post by: Nidya on November 10, 2018, 05:38:11 PM
How to sort a powerful collective belief that is strongly settled down in this 3D realm and according to statistics, you can easily check things work that way? You think is easy to shoot down them from your unconsciouss mind? Be honest, you know the fact that it's  important for manifesting to purge limiting beliefs and give space to new ones. But do you really think is possible to go against the flow easily? I'm talking about this reality, with its codes and laws. I think you understand. However I will give an example, "eat unhealthy and sooner or later you will have   some kind of organic disease", "aging is inevitable, you can age well, but it's aging in the end".
I think we need to face this thing, let's call it the power of collective beliefs in the process of creation of our personal realities. Please, don't talk me about other universes where we don't age and things like that, I'm talking specifically about this reality and my intention is to improve things here


There is collective beliefs but this doesnt mean that everyone is influenced by them.
Collective beliefs: smoking kills, eating "junk" food kills, if you fall off an airplane you will be dead...
Yet I know people who smoked their whole life and eat what they could without being dead from a cancer caused by smoking or "junk" food. There is even people who are alive and in good health after falling from an airplane (google it).
What kills you and in what way has to do with your beliefs.
Now of course dying is a need. It is not a belief. It is part of life. But it is not an end. So you can prolong youth and life and you can live healthy your whole life but still you will have to die from something at the end because it is a necessity. And there is much more to life than this Earth or this body. So nothing sad about it.
Then, I think till now I've been influenced by the belief of the existence of collective beliefs. Otherwise I would not have post about these things. Thank you
Title: Re: The power of collective beliefs
Post by: Superman on November 10, 2018, 05:38:46 PM
Again totally ignorant comment.

And you sir, are worse than a fascist. Just because I do not subscribe to your paradigm does not make me ignorant.

The meanings that we attach to our observations are a result of our beliefs, not the actual thing happening to us.

Inform yourself. As I said there is scientific evidences of what I said above.
Title: Re: The power of collective beliefs
Post by: Nidya on November 10, 2018, 05:40:08 PM
Again totally ignorant comment.

And you sir, are worse than a fascist. Just because I do not subscribe to your paradigm does not make me ignorant.

The meanings that we attach to our observations are a result of our beliefs, not the actual thing happening to us.

I, myself, I'm trying to shift from my current belief system and see what happens.
Title: Re: The power of collective beliefs
Post by: Alexbally on November 10, 2018, 05:44:23 PM
Inform yourself. As I said there is scientific evidences of what I said above.

Please do show us then.
Title: Re: The power of collective beliefs
Post by: Superman on November 10, 2018, 05:46:36 PM
How to sort a powerful collective belief that is strongly settled down in this 3D realm and according to statistics, you can easily check things work that way? You think is easy to shoot down them from your unconsciouss mind? Be honest, you know the fact that it's  important for manifesting to purge limiting beliefs and give space to new ones. But do you really think is possible to go against the flow easily? I'm talking about this reality, with its codes and laws. I think you understand. However I will give an example, "eat unhealthy and sooner or later you will have   some kind of organic disease", "aging is inevitable, you can age well, but it's aging in the end".
I think we need to face this thing, let's call it the power of collective beliefs in the process of creation of our personal realities. Please, don't talk me about other universes where we don't age and things like that, I'm talking specifically about this reality and my intention is to improve things here


There is collective beliefs but this doesnt mean that everyone is influenced by them.
Collective beliefs: smoking kills, eating "junk" food kills, if you fall off an airplane you will be dead...
Yet I know people who smoked their whole life and eat what they could without being dead from a cancer caused by smoking or "junk" food. There is even people who are alive and in good health after falling from an airplane (google it).
What kills you and in what way has to do with your beliefs.
Now of course dying is a need. It is not a belief. It is part of life. But it is not an end. So you can prolong youth and life and you can live healthy your whole life but still you will have to die from something at the end because it is a necessity. And there is much more to life than this Earth or this body. So nothing sad about it.
Then, I think till now I've been influenced by the belief of the existence of collective beliefs. Otherwise I would not have post about these things. Thank you

In another words just understand that everything you see or experience is a belief. Then make sure you select only those beliefs that are desirable.
When people say "smoking kills" it is not false! You don't have to deny it. It is a reality, a truth but only for those who have that belief. So you dont have to select that belief and when you don't have it you will able to see millions of people now and in history who never were affected by it and never will. In the same way it is a truth, a reality that smoking is harmless because you selct that belief. So be aware that everythig has to do with beliefs and select only those you want and don't do something you believe is wrong or unhealthy and expect positive results. If you believe that eating in Burger King is unhealthy then it will affect your health in a negative way because your body will trust what you say and it will react in that perspective... So it is best for you to not eat there =) But the real cause of "junk" or "unhealthy" effects is in your beliefs not in what you eat.
Title: Re: The power of collective beliefs
Post by: Nidya on November 10, 2018, 06:16:31 PM
Superman: Then, I wonder what is a belief, on which is based on a belief. Should I avoid statistics in this physical realm?
Title: Re: The power of collective beliefs
Post by: siamesegirl on November 10, 2018, 06:38:34 PM
The smoking analogy is silly. It kills people. That's a fact however you choose to interpret it.
Title: Re: The power of collective beliefs
Post by: Superman on November 10, 2018, 06:52:49 PM
Superman: Then, I wonder what is a belief, on which is based on a belief. Should I avoid statistics in this physical realm?

A belief is something you think as a fact. Because in your experience it is a fact. It a strong thought/idea you hold in your mind. You rarely see a belief as a "belief". Because it makes facts. Statitics are irrevelant. A true LOA practioner doesnt look the statitics. Because he understands that his mind makes his reality not someting or someone outside.

The smoking analogy is silly. It kills people. That's a fact however you choose to interpret it.

There is people who believe that smoking kills and those are the one who are killed by it. So yes it is a fact but not a fact for the whole planet. It is a fact too that millions of smokers never had any health problem. So choose your side. But if you smoke and think its killing you then it will. So you better stop. If you think its good for you then no need to stop. In today's society we are told that everything is bad for our health. Thats silly and fear based.
Title: Re: The power of collective beliefs
Post by: Alexbally on November 10, 2018, 07:17:42 PM
May I divert your eyes back to SG's post about children believing in Santa Claus but him not actually being real again Supes.

It might make things real to you and only in your mind but in reality, it still is not real.

I know too many friends to count that have died in accidents. None of them believed they would die the way they did....None of them. Some of them were freak accidents and one of them was beaten to death.
Title: Re: The power of collective beliefs
Post by: Anna1408 on November 10, 2018, 07:20:12 PM
Superman: Then, I wonder what is a belief, on which is based on a belief. Should I avoid statistics in this physical realm?

A belief is something you think as a fact. Because in your experience it is a fact. It a strong thought/idea you hold in your mind. You rarely see a belief as a "belief". Because it makes facts. Statitics are irrevelant. A true LOA practioner doesnt look the statitics. Because he understands that his mind makes his reality not someting or someone outside.

The smoking analogy is silly. It kills people. That's a fact however you choose to interpret it.

There is people who believe that smoking kills and those are the one who are killed by it. So yes it is a fact but not a fact for the whole planet. It is a fact too that millions of smokers never had any health problem. So choose your side. But if you smoke and think its killing you then it will. So you better stop. If you think its good for you then no need to stop. In today's society we are told that everything is bad for our health. Thats silly and fear based.

In fact, I've had 5 members of my family that I can think of who smoked heavily yet lived into their late eighties or early nineties. My Mother's uncle chain smoked, but lived to 94. And all of them in very good health. From what I know, none of them focused on the health "dangers" of smoking.
Title: Re: The power of collective beliefs
Post by: Alexbally on November 10, 2018, 07:30:59 PM
In fact, I've had 5 members of my family that I can think of who smoked heavily yet lived into their late eighties or early nineties. My Mother's uncle chain smoked, but lived to 94. And all of them in very good health. From what I know, none of them focused on the health "dangers" of smoking.

And yet I had/have older family members that smoked from a very young age and very late into life and were forced to stop because of health issues. None of them thought or cared about any health issues.
I smoke and I don't care about any possible health implications...I do much worse things than just smoking, so that the least of my worries.

What about the first people that ever died from cancer which was attributed to smoking?
There was no accumalated collective belief back then that smoking causes cancer yet it's still deemed after their death that it was smoking that caused cancer that killed them.

This paradigm is full of too many inconsistencies and and it's too ambiguous to be able to say confidently that it's fact.

If you wish to base your experience of reality based upon a rhetorrical metaphysical question about whether a cat in a box is alive or dead then go ahead but this is far from reality.
We might as well add the rhetorical metaphysical question of if a tree falls in the woods and nobody is around to hear it, does it make a sound?
We cannot answer these questions as yes or no so we cannot begin to build our idea of reality upon them as they would be built only on assumed truths which quite easily can be very far from reality.
Title: Re: The power of collective beliefs
Post by: Alexbally on November 10, 2018, 08:54:14 PM
Hi Nidya

All was going ok until Dr Bernie started saying this....

[quote author=Nidya link=topic=26722.msg224619#msg224619 There is a concept called “subjective reality” that there is only
one source of intentions in the universe…and that is you.

The theory behind this is that all the people you interact with
in the world, and all the things you observe exist inside your
consciousness…which is how dreams operate.

“You” are the single consciousness in which your entire reality
is currently taking place.

To understand this better, think of a dream which occurs during
your sleep…the entire dream occurs within your consciousness.

In the same way, your entire world, as you perceive it, is occurring
within your consciousness during everyday life.

Everything in your consciousness is created by you…you are
responsible for it being there.

>>>So…how does this explain the idea of two people putting
out conflicting intentions? Both are trying to use the Law of
Attraction principals to get what they want…for example the
same job.

>>>The answer seems to be that this is an entirely internal
conflict within you…

While you hold the image in your mind that both people want
the same thing at the same time you believe that only one can
have it….

The overall intention you are putting out to the universe
is competition…

Therefore what you are actually creating with the Law is competition…
because as you know, in its simplest form, the principals of
attraction mean your thoughts attract similar energies…

Therefore if you put out thoughts of competition, that’s what you
get back…it puts the responsibility for whatever is created in
your world firmly on you.

>>>But what about the situation where you want your relationship
to improve, but your partner, friend, boss or co-worker is not
interested in that happening.

I will answer this in my next e-letter… be sure to read it.

Hoping you attract all the thing you manifest,
Bernie
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This is where they start to postulate theories and they should be treated as such until evidence is repeatedly observed.

It's one thing to say that we create our experiences from our beliefs and it's another to say that we create our beliefs from observing and perceiving of our different experiences.

What comes first.....chicken or egg?

Sorry for the above quote going wrong but I think you can see which are my words and which are Dr Bernie's still.
Title: Re: The power of collective beliefs
Post by: possum-power on November 10, 2018, 09:08:08 PM
Nobody can fully escape collective beliefs because they are of course part of what make up 'reality'.

It would however be more accurate to refer to it rather as collective 'imagination' i.e. not just made up of our human limiting beliefs (to illustrate: while plants don't have limiting beliefs, they do adhere to a group reality when e.g. if there's not sufficient water or sunlight they will die.. I think this might make the argument around smoking clearer - yes we have a collective reality in which as humans living on Earth uncontaminated air is healthiest and leads to longer life).

Reality is in fact nothing but imagination. They are one and the same thing.
In this sense we create our own reality.
Collectively or individually, actually is nowhere near as significant as it appears to us (in our world of 'individuals' and according to the illusion that we are separate from one another and all - a very human and specifically Western paradigm) as we are all one.

hmm.. just thinking this over - perhaps on an individual level the imagination has to be really, really strong, focused, trained - to make an perceivable difference to e.g. the whole world or universe... though I suppose there is a 'domino' effect if more individuals are caught up in believing, imagining, the same things... hmm. Morphic resonance. Butterfly wings. Mm, nice.

There is a scientist who followed after Darwin, called Lamarck, who studied group and individual imagination and its contribution to evolution .. i.e. organisms did not change just because if they didn't they would die (even Darwin knew this couldn't work, by the end of his career.. that is was at best way too simplistic) - animals and other organisms changed ....wait for it.... because they imagined themselves different !!! Giraffes and their long necks for example (they imagined themselves reaching those juicy leaves up there..). It's so cool. In fact on a bacterial level it is now known that it is statistically impossible for bacteria evolve at the rate they do, without the application of some form of intentionality... i.e. through wishing it!
Wild stuff.
Title: Re: The power of collective beliefs
Post by: Alexbally on November 10, 2018, 09:18:33 PM
And who says that the theory/ theories behind evolution are correct?
The fact of the matter is that in our recorded history, we have never observed one single animal or organism evolve into something else. So they remain as just theories.

Imagination requires thought, amongst other things. Not all imaginings or thoughts become reality the last time I checked.
Title: Re: The power of collective beliefs
Post by: possum-power on November 10, 2018, 09:40:21 PM
They may not 'become' but they contribute.

Hermetism, 'all is mind'.
That's the same concept as imagination being reality. Which of course it is...which would explain why we have such a hard time discussing what's 'real' or 'true'. Seems to me it's all down to the amount of energy (individual or collective) given to the thoughts/imaginings/beliefs. When it reaches a critical mass it passes the - pretty fuzzy if I may say so - line of what we humans like to call 'real'.

'One organism evolving into another'... ok, to continue in that vein we better first define 'organism', then figure out what makes something definably 'different' from something else. Easy task.
It's more about categorization that anything else, is my point.
Ask any librarian ;-)

Examples of how people have changed (avoiding the word 'evolution') just in the last century - mm.. we got taller. The prevalence of autism increased. Apparently we got more intelligent (the Flynn effect)... lol
Think it takes longer than a few hundred years to become green or grow antennae.
Title: Re: The power of collective beliefs
Post by: Nidya on November 10, 2018, 11:11:42 PM
I've been reading everyone of you and I'm very thankful for all your posts. I tend to think in fact we are all One, no division at high levels of awareness. Just I was wondering about this level, this collective 3D realm where I think everyone of us want to clearly manifest. I was wondering if collective beliefs do really exist and they do really interfere. And that is also a matter of "belief" in my case. Maybe cool to quiet my mind a bit, try to meditate and relax just to let it flow. Maybe I need a change of paradigm just to move on. I think I still have so many beliefs hooked in my subconscious mind that yet not knowing them, they are interfering.
Title: Re: The power of collective beliefs
Post by: possum-power on November 10, 2018, 11:25:14 PM
Nidya, I love your approach and want to take example from it.
(It is calm and considered where I am too impulsive)

About what you describe... I believe it can be termed ‘integration’. There is a powerful presentation which really helped me personally, in starting to recognise and achieve, hang on..
Voila!:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=c3V_Gtfr_YA
Title: Re: The power of collective beliefs
Post by: Alexbally on November 10, 2018, 11:30:21 PM
They may not 'become' but they contribute.

But do they really though?
How do you know for sure?
Now I'm not saying that they do and I'm not saying that they don't. I'm asking the questions that I feel everybody should be prepared to ask themselves to find their truth and not whatever they are told to believe or whatever they read in books.

You know that I follow hermetism closely Possum but just like anything else and inclusive of the bible for that matter, the written word is always up for ones own interpretation of those words.
Its true that everything happening outside of us is received by the human senses and interpreted within the brain. We can also use these senses to sense something before it happens or to "create" something. Belief, in my opinion, has no bearing or power on this process.

Your evidence of "change" is not something that can be attributed to evolution.
"People got taller." Well I didn't lol. Maybe this can be attributed to a multitude of things like better health.
"Apparently we got smarter." Well if people learn more and become better educated then they teach younger generations their knowledge and the knowledge base grows as a result. However, I highly doubt that we today are the pinnacle of mankind in terms of intelligence, but that's just my opinion.
"The prevelance of autism has increased." Autism is just a label that was created less than a century ago. Only god knows how many people had "autism" before the label for it was created, so this is a moot point that you make.

The fact of the matter is that there are billions of species on earth....in fact, approximately the same amount for as many years they say that the earth is in terms of years of age. That would equate to an average of one new species for every year the earth has been here.....when was the last time you heard of something evolving from one thing to another?
If we evolved from monkeys, why are there still monkeys and none of the species in between the monkeys and man left?
Title: Re: The power of collective beliefs
Post by: Alexbally on November 10, 2018, 11:36:49 PM
I think I still have so many beliefs hooked in my subconscious mind that yet not knowing them, they are interfering.

Don't start submitting to blind assumptions Nidya, you have no idea if you do, if you don't or even if such a thing even exists.
Title: Re: The power of collective beliefs
Post by: Nidya on November 10, 2018, 11:40:23 PM
I think I still have so many beliefs hooked in my subconscious mind that yet not knowing them, they are interfering.

Don't start submitting to blind assumptions Nidya, you have no idea if you do, if you don't or even if such a thing even exists.
Yes, I understand could be not convenient even to give opinions, because of the risk of unconsciously set beliefs in other people. Talking about this 3D, just that
Title: Re: The power of collective beliefs
Post by: possum-power on November 10, 2018, 11:54:42 PM
They may not 'become' but they contribute.

But do they really though?
How do you know for sure?
Now I'm not saying that they do and I'm not saying that they don't. I'm asking the questions that I feel everybody should be prepared to ask themselves to find their truth and not whatever they are told to believe or whatever they read in books.

You know that I follow hermetism closely Possum but just like anything else and inclusive of the bible for that matter, the written word is always up for ones own interpretation of those words.
Its true that everything happening outside of us is received by the human senses and interpreted within the brain. We can also use these senses to sense something before it happens or to "create" something. Belief, in my opinion, has no bearing or power on this process.

Your evidence of "change" is not something that can be attributed to evolution.
"People got taller." Well I didn't lol. Maybe this can be attributed to a multitude of things like better health.
"Apparently we got smarter." Well if people learn more and become better educated then they teach younger generations their knowledge and the knowledge base grows as a result. However, I highly doubt that we today are the pinnacle of mankind in terms of intelligence, but that's just my opinion.
"The prevelance of autism has increased." Autism is just a label that was created less than a century ago. Only god knows how many people had "autism" before the label for it was created, so this is a moot point that you make.

The fact of the matter is that there are billions of species on earth....in fact, approximately the same amount for as many years they say that the earth is in terms of years of age. That would equate to an average of one new species for every year the earth has been here.....when was the last time you heard of something evolving from one thing to another?
If we evolved from monkeys, why are there still monkeys and none of the species in between the monkeys and man left?

Hmm, well yes, yes yes.
If you see what I mean.
That’s kind of all precisely my point. With the exception of the monkeys (what about Lucy?)
But looking forward to answering better when I’ve given these poor children their dinner :-)
Title: Re: The power of collective beliefs
Post by: possum-power on November 11, 2018, 12:05:36 AM
Sorry just having a big laugh.. as I actually didn’t read the last line properly.
Poor Lucy, nothing personal I promise!

So...
Why are there no currently existing species between man and monkey?
Hmm.
No idea.
Any experts out there?
Title: Re: The power of collective beliefs
Post by: Nidya on January 07, 2019, 05:37:09 AM
Nidya, I love your approach and want to take example from it.
(It is calm and considered where I am too impulsive)

About what you describe... I believe it can be termed ‘integration’. There is a powerful presentation which really helped me personally, in starting to recognise and achieve, hang on..
Voila!:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=c3V_Gtfr_YA

Thank you so much, watching video right now
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