Things failling unexpectedly

[JoyceClayton]

When you think of life realistically it makes perfect sense. Suppose you use the Law of Attraction in order to manifest your becoming a concert pianist. What? You don't think it will take tremendous suffering with many hours of proper practice to finally get good enough? Of course it will, Law of Attraction or not! How about becoming a prize athlete? Do you think you can get around the suffering you will have to endure by using the Law of Attraction? Don't bet on it. It is commonly said that a true artist suffers for his art and it's a fact, not a theory.

If you are reaching for true greatness in life you will indeed suffer sooner or later. You've all probably heard the phrase 'No pain, no gain'. Those who turn their backs on the sufferings they must endure and run away sacrifice the prize in the process.

Like it or not, there is a price that must be suffered to manifest any great thing. I've learned from empirical experience that your money is worthless to the Universe. The currency of the Spirit of Intent is: suffering for doing good and the life of Jesus should make that very clear indeed!

If you're not willing to pay the price you don't get the prize

It's as simple as that, but...I could be wrong. Maybe YOU have found a way to become a concert pianist or guitarist without practicing. If you have please let me in on your secret!

[lise]

But to use your analogy, people don't randomly decide to become concert pianists or Olympians, the seed for the dream will have begun from enjoying playing the piano or taking part in sport. Unless someone is forced into doing something by the parents then the practise that is required to become good is done because someone loves whatever that it is they are practising. So it doesnt seem like suffering , it seems enjoyable and worthwhile to work and practise towards that goal. Yes, there may be sacrifices to be made such as less time for other pursuits etc but to someone who wants it this won't seem like suffering but part and part of a bigger goal. I think people who become Olympians or pianists etc love what they do and it is this love for what they do that spurs them on.  Practising only equates with suffering if it's not something that you love to begin with.

I actually  met someone who is or rather was a top athlete, nationally rather than internationally and my son also met a para Olympian. They both spoke about the hours a day they spend training in all weathers day in and day out. When they were asked aren't there times you'd rather have a lie in etc the answer was yes of course sometimes but they both said that once they were there, there was no better buzz then doing something they loved and pushing themselves.

Personally I'm not big on exercise! And for me it would be suffering doing it all day which is why I'll never make an Olympian or musician lol but for those who do I think it's less about suffering and more about  absorption in something they love too much to stop.

[JoyceClayton]

If you want to be supremely successful in manifesting with the Law of Attraction you will have to PERMANENTLY restructure the way you think and that is not easy. It requires suffering whether you agree or not. It is not easy to suddenly train yourself to permanently think differently than you have all your life. You have to REALLY want to do so and be willing to endure whatever sufferings you must in order to claim the prize.

If you want to get great grades in school it going to take a lot of studying and that requires suffering.

If you want to eventually become a doctor it's going to take a LOT MORE SUFFERING than just aiming to get good grades in school

From my studies ALL TRULY GREAT GENIUSES suffered tremendously. There was no way around it

I believe that a controlled masochism is essential to living a successful life. I've learned how to dig the pain of my workouts, but it didn't come easy and I still have my days when I don't want to endure the suffering of working out.

[lise]

Well we'll have to agree to disagree. I got fantastic  grades when I was at Uni, yes it involved a lot of studying but I didnt suffer to get them. I loved it because I loved the subject, the research, the reading and the writing. I loved everything about my course which is why I chose it. Not only that but it lead to a career using that subject and that was an added motivation. However as I wouldn't say I was a genius! Perhaps that explains the lack of suffering? Lol


I agree with the first part of what you say about having to permanently restructuring the way you think, I have had to and no it's not been easy! But that's because I was long term negative thinker before hearing about loa. I wouldn't say I've suffered trying to make the change but it's not been as easy as some books would imply or at least for me. However for someone who hadn't heard about loa but had a history of optimism or positive thinking, I imagine becoming supremely successful at manifesting may come easier and quicker but then that might be a limiting belief on my part.

I do think, and I can only talk about my own country, we are socialised into believing certain things are easy or difficult or available to only a few or a certain gender or class and whilst this might be generally or statistically  true, these attitudes and beliefs  perpetuate these things and instead if people were encouraged to think differently they wouldn't expect things to be difficult and it then become a self fulfilling prophesy?

[JoyceClayton]

Well, you see this is where the book The Power comes into the fray. If you REALLY LOVE doing something it works as a pain-killer and you don't notice the suffering much, but you will if you keep playing piano until you sprain your hands, or keep playing guitar until your fingers bleed, or keep studying until you get an unbearable headache.

You loved to study because you were not being forced and threatened into getting good grades. What if you father was waiting with a belt if you did not get an A on every exam you took? Then you would be studying out of fear instead of out of love and that would hurt. So LOVE does indeed make one indifferent to the pain. If you really love to do something you don't notice the suffering.

Still, if being successful with the Law of Attraction requires you to stop associating with your old friends who consistently try to make you quit and are always trying to bring you down for living your dream it will hurt alright! Sacrificing your once friends to be successful in life will indeed cause you suffering, but there will be no way around it if you truly want to be successful in life.

[tereza]

Still, if being successful with the Law of Attraction requires you to stop associating with your old friends who consistently try to make you quit and are always trying to bring you down for living your dream it will hurt alright! Sacrificing your once friends to be successful in life will indeed cause you suffering, but there will be no way around it if you truly want to be successful in life.

Eh. I've done it before and it felt GOOD.  Also, it's not always required to cut people out of your life to succeed. It's more about choosing carefully who you share what information with and being selective of who you spend your time with.

[2thetop]

hmmm ya i still dont agree with it.  you may make sacrifices, but that doesnt mean you suffer.  to get good at drawing you have to draw a lot.  if you want to get really good that might mean drawing so much you dont watch tv.  which doesnt help with convo when hangin with your friends and theyre talkin about some new show.  but its a worth while sacrifice because you enjoy drawing.  thats a simple analogy.  suffering to me is not a positive thing.  i think you can cause yourself pain by not learning leasons.  but thats self inflicted from ourselves refusing to learn something we have asked to learn. 
I can understand that view because i have heard it before and you see it all over.  such as you have to work out constantly to be in shape.  truth is go for a walk and eat healthy and youll be in shape.  it reminds me of those old jesuit priest that whip themselves for forgiveness.  jesus suffered for their sins so why do they.  thanks for sharing more of your view.  i hope you can understand why there are those of us that dont think that the universe wants us to suffer.  i stick by its us that brings it on.   

[Mariposa, (KnJ)]

Abraham said the universe doesn't want us to suffer or be unhappy, it wants the exact opposite and as long as we are happy and fulfilled with ourselves we will manifest faster and better than ever.  Suffering is a state of mind, a choice, just like happiness. Suffering is completely unnecessary and a negative emotion......negative begets negative, it's counter intuitive.  Suffering and manifesting do NOT go together. 

[JoyceClayton]

I've worked with art long enough to know that it takes a lot of suffering to create something truly excellent. I work with digital graphics art in the creation of beautiful Nature scenes. It takes a hell of a lot of hard work to produce a truly excellent product. Hours and hours of studying and examining, and touching up work in Photoshop until my eyes are burning and I absolutely MUST take a break. When my eyes burn from painstaking examination of what I am working on that is indeed suffering and I must endure a lot of suffering to create an excellent product, period.

That's me. You may be different

[JoyceClayton]

I'm going to be as nice as I possibly can about this because what I am about to write is very upsetting to Abraham/Hicks fanatics:

If the Universe doesn't want anyone to suffer then what exactly did the Universe want when it killed Jerry Hicks? None of Abraham's fancy teachings worked to save him. So, what did the Universe want?

I truly want to know, because it was indeed the Universe who killed Jerry Hicks and it was indeed the Universe who prevented any Abraham teachings on health to save him. If not the Universe then who else? Even if someone tried to murder Jerry Hicks the teachings of Abraham should have saved him and they didn't!

Abraham comes off as infallible and inerrant, but the death of Jerry Hicks has proven otherwise and that is a fact whether you want to admit it or not!

And yes indeed! This post most definitely belongs on a topic thread about "Things failing unexpectedly"

[Mariposa, (KnJ)]

The universe didn't KILL Jerry, he transitioned and everyone does it.......it's a law of the Universe. Our souls live forever but our bodies do not!! 

You can't blame the Universe for people dying.......like that is a bad thing, dying isn't bad, it's a blessing! 

Transitioning to a higher plane is what we all strive for in one way or another.  I for one, am NOT afraid of death, but I am also a conduit so I know I have no reason to fear. 

I have also been an artist for my entire life, and I can safely say that I have NEVER suffered while doing my art.  It's my release, my greatest pleasure......it's fun and exciting!  It's creative and wonderful.........but I would NEVER associate the word "suffering" with my art!  I am a happy artist.....not a tortured artist!!  You don't have to suffer to be successful or sell your art either....I have managed to do both without one day of suffering!! 

[JoyceClayton]

Next you will be trying to convince everyone that the Universe was not responsible for making certain that NONE of Abraham's teachings could save Jerry Hicks. I'd like to see you try to get around that one.

I say WHOEVER is responsible for bringing life into this world is also responsible for taking life out of this world.

So, who exactly is responsible for bringing life into this world?

I for one would like to know

And you should study into the lives of the great artistic geniuses of humanity then determined whether or not they suffered for their art. Oh, you don't think Beethoven suffered? How about DaVinci? You don't think he suffered either? What about Thomas Edison and his thousands of failed experiments? You don't think that caused him any suffering? Get a clue!

[lilly]

Regarding arts I would agree with Mariposa.
I think it is not a good idea to make a generality of it, people look at arts in a different way. I don't think suffering is always "caused" by arts or the mastering of an art, a lot of people are already tortured and use arts as an outlet to their suffering.
I do love arts myself and I find the creative process usually more enjoyable than the result and thus I wouldn't describe that process as a needed suffering but something enjoyable and stimulating.

I think the creative process, whatever the field, whether it is science, arts, whatever, is just stimulating on its own and that stimulating part overcomes any disapointments that may come along the way. There is some sort of pleasure in creating something, it isn't plain suffering to take a shortcut.

The universe didn't KILL Jerry, he transitioned and everyone does it.......it's a law of the Universe. Our souls live forever but our bodies do not!! 

You can't blame the Universe for people dying.......like that is a bad thing, dying isn't bad, it's a blessing! 

Transitioning to a higher plane is what we all strive for in one way or another.  I for one, am NOT afraid of death, but I am also a conduit so I know I have no reason to fear. 

I have also been an artist for my entire life, and I can safely say that I have NEVER suffered while doing my art.  It's my release, my greatest pleasure......it's fun and exciting!  It's creative and wonderful.........but I would NEVER associate the word "suffering" with my art!  I am a happy artist.....not a tortured artist!!  You don't have to suffer to be successful or sell your art either....I have managed to do both without one day of suffering!! 

[Mariposa, (KnJ)]

No offense but you have no idea what you are talking about.......NO IDEA!! 

I don't have to convince anyone of anything about Abraham's teachings, they speak for themselves.  What does Jerry transitioning...ie: dying have to do with the teachings of Abraham? 

Everyone dies.....EVERYONE!!  Our soul lives forever, our bodies die!!  It's really quite simple!! 

As far as the great artists......they chose to suffer and that is why they did, not EVERY ARTIST suffers!!  It's a choice, you chose to suffer, I chose not to!!  Also Simple!! 

And as for Thomas Edison, I'll let him speak for himself:

Overcoming Failure: Thomas Edison Quotes
I am not discouraged, because every wrong attempt discarded is another step forward.

Funny: Thomas Edison Quotes
I have not failed. I've just found 10,000 ways that won't work.

Overcoming Failure: Thomas Edison Quotes
Many of life's failures are men who did not realize how close they were to success when they gave up.

Perseverance, Persistence: Thomas Edison Quotes
Nearly every man who develops an idea works at it up to the point where it looks impossible, and then gets discouraged. That's not the place to become discouraged.

Funny: Thomas Edison Quotes
Opportunity is missed by most people because it is dressed in overalls and looks like work.

Overcoming Failure: Thomas Edison Quotes
Show me a thoroughly satisfied man, and I will show you a failure.

Funny, but I don't see the word "suffering" in any of those quotes!!  Quite the opposite!! 

Maybe it's you that should get the "CLUE"........Thank you for sharing your opinion though. 

[JoyceClayton]

Well DaVinci, Michelangelo, Beethoven, Mozart, and many others of the greatest geniuses of humanity would not agree with your assessment that suffering is not required in producing great art. If you don't believe me study into their lives and find out for yourselves! Sure, those who produce mediocre works for their pleasure do not suffer unless they paint until they sprain their hands or their eyes burn too much. However, to produce truly great works of art requires tremendous suffering.

Tell me who is responsible for bringing life into this world and I will tell you who is responsible for taking life out of this world.

Who was responsible for making all of Abraham's teachings on healing ineffective with Jerry Hicks? I remember Abraham was bold in saying anyone could be healed.


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